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How valid is this swearing on the Quran, which Saiful conducted in the Federal Territory Mosque? Does such a thing exist in Islam? Apparently not, according to Dr. Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, Abdul Hadi Awang, Nik Aziz Nik Mat, Dr Haron Din, and the host of other Islamic scholars regarded as authorities on Islam by most Malays

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin 

Mahathir dares Anwar to swear

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad has dared Pakatan Rakyat leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to swear on the Quran to prove he is innocent of the sodomy charge he faces. He said Anwar should do so just like his accuser Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan who had sworn upon the Quran that Anwar had sodomised him. “Anwar should also be doing the same thing, instead of just giving ceramah everywhere, to prove his innocence,” Dr Mahathir said.

Referring to Saiful's swearing on the Quran at the Federal Territory mosque here yesterday, Dr Mahathir said it was the former Anwar aide’s way of proving he was not lying when he alleged he had been sodomised by the PKR adviser on June 26.

Dr Mahathir said that as a figure on the Malaysian political scene, Anwar should act in accordance with public sentiment that he said, required that he give a sworn statement pertaining to the sodomy allegation. However, the action would be considered to be just a good political gesture because Anwar himself had to provide legitimate evidence to prove that he was not guilty in the matter.

Terengganu Mentri Besar Datuk Ahmad Said said Saiful did the right thing by swearing upon the Quran. “It is to demonstrate that he was telling the truth. I congratulate him for his courage,” he said.

Former PKR Youth chief Mohamed Ezam Mohd Nor said it was not easy for Saiful to do what he did. “If I were Anwar, the next thing I’ll do is to go to the mosque and prove my innocence. The legal way is not enough.”

The Muslim Consumers Association of Malaysia said in a statement that Anwar should respond to Saiful's latest move. (Bernama)

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“I’ve done this for God and I took my oath in the house of God, that I was humiliated and sodomised by Anwar Ibrahim and I do not wish to lie to the world as he has done” - statement by Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan after swearing on the Holy Qur’an at the Masjid Wilayah at Jalan Duta yesterday, as reported by Malaysiakini.

Err, Saiful, you did lie to the whole world yesterday.

Saiful was asked by a reporter to explain how the timing was so close to nomination date for the Permatang Pauh by-election.

Saiful replied: It’s all a coincidence. We don’t know that Anwar is going to contest…

Yet, on 2nd August, Malaysiakini reported that in a posting in Saiful’s blog on 1st August, ‘Saiful also briefly wished Anwar ‘good luck’ in contesting for the Permatang Pauh by-election’. (http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/sai-full-of-lies/ )

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So, finally, Saiful has sworn on the Quran that Anwar buggered him, against his will. I suppose any 61-year old man with a bad back who can force himself on a 23-year old man who is bigger and stronger than him should be strong enough to become the Prime Minister of Malaysia. This demonstrates how strong Anwar is, physically, and that he is certainly nowhere near over-the-hill. Mentally, of course, no one has any doubts that Anwar can out-think the sharpest cookies. They will literally foam at the mouth in any live debate with the incoming Member of Parliament of Permatang Pauh.

Nevertheless, how valid is this swearing on the Quran, which Saiful conducted in the Federal Territory Mosque? Does such a thing exist in Islam? Apparently not, according to Perlis Mufti Dr. Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, PAS President Abdul Hadi Awang, PAS Spiritual Leader Nik Aziz Nik Mat, PAS Deputy Spiritual Leader Dr Haron Din, and the host of other Islamic scholars regarded as authorities on Islam by most Malays. Anyway, even before Saiful pulled off his little circus stunt, and even before these scholars commented on the spectacle, I had already said that there is no such thing in Islam and is the act of deviant Muslims.

Let us reflect on what happened about 1,400 years ago when Prophet Muhammad’s wife, Aisha binti Abu Bakar, was accused of adultery with Safwan bin Al-Muattal. According to popular and accepted Islamic history, the whole incident happened as follows:

Aisha was travelling with the Prophet and some of his followers through the desert and they had stopped to camp for the night. The following morning, when she discovered she had lost her necklace, Aisha left the camp and went to search for it.

No one realised she had ‘broken ranks’ and the caravan packed up and resumed its journey. When Aisha returned to the campsite, she found that the caravan had left without her. There was nothing she could do but to sit right there and wait, in the hope they would realise they had left her behind and come back to fetch her. But they did not return for her because they did not realise they had left her behind.

Later that same day, a young and handsome Arab man named Safwan bin Al-Muattal came along and spotted Aisha sitting all alone in the desert. Though he had never met Aisha before, he immediately recognised her as one of the Prophet’s wives because of the tudung that she wore. It seems, in those days, only the Prophet’s wives wore the tudung to distinguish them from the other women.

Apparently, the tudung was ‘decreed’ for only the Prophet’s wives and not for all women. Anyway, that is another topic for another time as, today, we wish to talk about Saiful swearing on the Quran and he does not wear a tudung, yet.

Safwan rescued Aisha and took her on his horse to chase after the caravan. It was when the caravan, again, stopped to camp for the evening did they realise that Aisha was missing. But there was nothing much they could do because it was about to get dark and looking for Aisha somewhere in the desert in the middle of the night was just not viable.

It was not until the following morning that Safwan and Aisha caught up with the Prophet’s caravan. The scene of Aisha returning to the caravan with another (young and handsome) man triggered rumours that she had committed adultery with Safwan. The Prophet’s enemies immediately spread the rumour faster than a special report on Malaysia Today could ever have done.

Prophet Muhammad never doubted Aisha. Nevertheless, he called for a family conference to discuss what to do and his adopted son, Zayd, defended Aisha. Ali, his son-in-law, however, felt that a Prophet can’t afford to be the target of rumours, especially one involving his wife, and he suggested that Prophet Muhammad divorce Aisha.

Aisha steadfastly proclaimed her innocence. Muhammad felt very troubled by the whole matter and it is said he left Aisha’s house and did not return for many days. Aisha was the Prophet’s youngest and favourite wife who is also the daughter of his most faithful comrade, Abu Bakar, who went on to become the First Caliph of Islam after Prophet Muhammad died.

Aisha was devastated. Shortly after that, Prophet Muhammad announced he had received a revelation from God confirming Aisha's innocence and directing him that adultery be proven by four eyewitnesses, rather than simply inferred from opportunity (The Quran Surah 24:4). Prophet Muhammad also rebuked those who had slandered his wife (The Quran Surah 24:11) and ordered them to receive forty lashes, among them his poet Hassan bin Thabit.

So there you have it. Prophet Muhammad did not ask Aisha to swear on the Quran in the mosque that she is innocent and did not commit adultery. And neither was Safwan, who was accused of ‘penetrating’ Aisha, also asked to swear on the Quran in a mosque that he had kept his pecker in his pants at all times when he was alone with Aisha. In fact, those who made the allegation were instead punished.

We must also note one very important point. The Quran, in the book form that we know today, did not exist yet at the time of Prophet Muhammad. It was Osman, the Third Caliph, who compiled the Quran into the book form that we know today, long after the Prophet had died. That is why the Quran is sometimes referred to as the Osmania Quran. Before that, the Quran was etched on pieces of tree bark and animal skin with the bulk of it memorised by hundreds of companions of the Prophet.

If Aisha had been asked to swear her innocence on the Quran, then they would have had to recall all the pieces of tree bark and animal skin from all over the Arabian Peninsular, plus they would have had to assemble the hundreds of men who had ‘recorded’ the Quran in their heads. These tree barks and animal skin, plus the hundreds of Quran memorisers, would then have had to be lumped into a huge pile in the middle of the mosque and Aisha would have had to place her right hand on this mountain of men, tree barks and animal skin with her left hand raised to the sky as she swore her innocence on the ‘Quran’.

According to Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar, this is what constitutes “religion”:

“If you are to write on religion, then you are supposed to touch on matters pertaining to:

- questions on rituals,
- adherence to God,
- followers and
- anything related to your divine mission.”


Okay, it is interesting that this ‘Arab’ has spoken out on what constitutes ‘religion’. Most Malays believe that ‘Syeds’ are descendants of the Prophet and, therefore, would be the most qualified to talk about Islam. But is it not strange that this Arab ‘descendant of the Prophet’ does not mention that corruption, fraud, wastage of public funds, abuse of power, racism, discrimination, persecution, injustice, and many more are also abhorred by Islam? Islam simply detests all those things perpetuated by the government and upheld by Umno.

The government and Umno do all those very things that Islam is against. Islam makes it mandatory for Muslims to oppose the transgressors of God’s commands. Muslims who do not oppose it are considered very weak Muslims who are accessories to these crimes. There are no two ways about it. Muslims who keep silent are endorsing these crimes. Islam is very clear about this matter. Nothing any Arab who pretends to be a descendant of the Prophet can say will change this.

Oh, and one more thing, Saiful also swore that this swearing ceremony, one day before the Permatang Pauh Nomination Day, is a coincidence as he did not know that Anwar was going to contest the by-election. Hmm…..is Saiful prepared to also swear this on the Quran? Earlier he had wished Anwar good luck in the Permatang Pauh by-election. Talk about making a mockery of Islam. Have I not always said that the Muslims are Islam’s greatest enemy? You still want to dispute this or can I now rest my case?

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written by cwy, August 17, 2008 14:09:13
Only desperate liers ( it is under the direction of UMNO here ) resort to swearing on Kuran!
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written by HARIMAU BIN ABDULLAH, August 17, 2008 14:09:49
Malaysia is now guilty of tarnishing Islam.
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written by alberttan, August 17, 2008 14:19:36
UMNO Mugabes corrupt everything they touch. That will include PAS.
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written by teo siew chin, August 17, 2008 14:21:00
"...In fact, those who made the allegation were instead punished..."
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now that is a WOW!
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written by sjs, August 17, 2008 14:22:00
RPK, perhaps you can highlight to non-Muslims readers like me, whats the punishment in Islam for manipulating the Quran to one's advantage. Why do Muslims not take seriously when one of their own kind manipulate the Quran. Just imagine if the manipulations of the Quran is done by a non-Muslim in different lights. The prophet's caricature is a good example of the cries of Muslims worldwide. Why are the Muslims silent on this issue. Moreso, nearly all Muslims do not believe that Anwar has sodomised Saiful, except UMNO's diminishing Malays.
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written by justice, August 17, 2008 14:22:28
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written by ahmadneil, August 17, 2008 14:22:32
After this saiful is going to put one of his middle finger into his ass and with the right hand on his cock,he swear that he's telling a lie to the nation.
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written by sjs, August 17, 2008 14:26:06
Please punish this kind of "Muslim", otherwise the Quran will be a subject of mockery in the future. The Quran will be used by everyone to prove their innocence! Whatsmore if they are guilty! I am surprised that lovers and believers of Islam are silent on this issue.
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written by HHKim, August 17, 2008 14:30:26
A simple citizen like always think that using the religious ritual to counter claims should confine to personal basis or the most to a small group of people. Case like this has gone to the court, and it should be the court to decide based on solid evidence and witnesses.

I am also puzzled how come ex-PM Mahathir also behaved like a smnall kid - asking Anwar to do the same like Saiful. Come on, this is crazy and does not befit the behavior of so called leadership in my perspectives. Leaders are expected to behave like leaders and act like leaders, not flip flopping every now and then.
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written by densemy, August 17, 2008 14:30:47
Only a muslim would invent such a story to cover for the fact that he ignored his wife for a whole day and when he finally discovered she was missing he didnt do anything about it

Blame the women... and they are still doing it today
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written by Knight, August 17, 2008 14:34:47
On why he only came forward to swear one day before the nomination for the Permatang Pauh by-election where Anwar is standing as a candidate for PKR, he said he needed time to gather his strength because the swearing was something sacred and the consequences severe.

"It has nothing to with politics. It is between Anwar and me," he said.

Asked whether this was the first time he was sodomised, Saiful said: "Yes, it was


I thought Sai-ful previously said his ass was screwed 7-8 times, in Malaysia as well as in his overseas trip with DSAI? If this was rape, surely he would have gone to the police at the first screw.

I find him making a mockery of holy places of worship by uttering the words "zakar" and "dubur" in the mosque when he did his sumpah.

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written by Dreamlander, August 17, 2008 14:34:54
Can anyone understanding Arabic translate what Saiful uttered in his SWEAR ?
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written by New Frontier, August 17, 2008 14:35:55
Mahathir cabar Anwar bersumpah. Sdra Mahathir sebagai seorang yang dikatakan berwawasan, berpandangan jauh dan bekas PM semestinya sdra seorang yang menghormati undang-undang. Malaysia ada dua sistem keadilan Sivil dan Syariah yang kedua-duanya pun belum memulakan perbicaraan kes ini tetapi tindakan mencabar Anwar semcm memenjelaskan siapakah yang berlagak sbg "Puppet Master" disamping kaedah cabar-mencabar ini umpama budak belum mumaiyiz. Benarlah kata orang apabila dah tua kita kembali kepada perlakuan kebudak-budakan (Nauzubillah). Sdra Mahathir cukuplah sandiwara anda. Waktu sdra dah lepas sekarang waktu utk rakyat betul-betul memilih utk memulih kepmbali negara yang tercinta ini dari kerosakan yang dimulai oleh sdra melalui UMNO/BN.
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written by takbolehtahan, August 17, 2008 14:42:11
RPK, you make me laugh too with your wonderful articles. And this statement: "Anyway, that is another topic for another time as, today, we wish to talk about Saiful swearing on the Quran and he does not wear a tudung, yet." shows how right you are, Sialfool can't wear the tudung cos he has no 'right of passage'.

Now I understand why all this 'sumpah' over the Quran meant nothing to these liars. There was really NOTHING to sumpah over!

And I canb't stand the sight of that Sialfool's face ... makes me want to puke!
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written by sjs, August 17, 2008 14:42:21
Praise be to Aisha. She was devastated at the rumours. But Puteri Umno is just the reverse. They try to attract attention that they are molested! We give it to them. Where do you want it and how do you want us to perform! Of course if it is anally, then you have too many, you do not need us.
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written by Abdul Haq, August 17, 2008 14:42:25
This Saiful guy probably has been told that he is doing a patriotic duty ' untuk bangsa dan negara' to stop the American stooge( guess who?!!) from making this great tanah Melayu country be dominated by USA!!

It does'nt matter that USA is already our largest trading partner and the hard reality is that our foreign policies are made with an eye on USA sensibilities!

Of Course, the UMNO ulamaks have promised that he will be sent to Makkah to seek forgiveness from God for this sin of swearing. They think that Allah an be bribed..Glory be to Him!!

In Islam it is a sin to fitnah another..like eating the flesh of your own brother. It is worse that murder!!

Even if what he swore was true..he still cannot shame someone publicly!!
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written by Malaysiaku, August 17, 2008 14:43:57
The Mamak is a nobody and is only a citizen like all of us. There is no need to listen to his 'merepek'. He can suggest anything but we do not need to listen to him. Who the hell does he think he is?
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written by hope, August 17, 2008 14:45:03
Malaysia and world-wide audience know that Sai-full, his uncle Pet, his father, are puppets in this century-puppet show in Malaysia stage! Now the maha-director Mahathir jump out to ask for a Quran swear. Walao-eh, very entertaining!
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written by binarytan, August 17, 2008 14:45:14
As said many times,

this saifool will sell his mum, sisters and wife for money. So you all do not get surprise that he is swearing in front of Quran.

Typical bustard UMNO is doing everything against religion and they are the big time gangster, racist and highly corrupted people.

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written by KKchan, August 17, 2008 14:46:23
This swearing episode is just making use of religion to serve political ends. A very dangerous mix - more dangerous than C4! If only the world is so simple that by simply swearing we are proven innocent. Let's do away with our judiciary - after all we have not much faith in it. And the Bar Council - it is no longer the flavour of the month after it organised the forum on conversion. And the Police Force. No need for investigations any more. Let's institutionalise the act of swearing. So I swore I was buggered and he swore he didn't bugger me or at all. Where do we go from there? Are our leaders getting more stupid by the day or what?
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written by DanielYKL, August 17, 2008 14:46:34
I find it hard to believe that the Imans in the FT Mosque even allowed and witnessed the swearing. In other words, they endorsed the swearing on the Quran. I mean, don't they know that it's un-Islamic? I'm confused!
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written by wannabepatriotic, August 17, 2008 14:49:38
tsk tsk to the weak muslims. huzzah to the strong muslims seeking the truth!

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written by Abdul Haq, August 17, 2008 14:50:07
Oh by the way heard that Saiful got RM 10 million for this..Not bad for a dropout!! Put it in FD and he doesn't need to work another day of his life and would probably be earning more that his mates at UNITEN when they graduate this year!!

Azizan the driver only got RM 1.5 million in 1998...well factor in inflation and SPM/STPM qualifications for this boy, and you get RM10 million 10 years down the road.
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written by Right Thing, August 17, 2008 14:50:32
That part about the memorisers gathering with the animal skins and tree barks scattered all over was over the hill in hilarity! Imagine piling them atop one another for Aisha to swear on!

This time around, Mahathir still has to ask Anwar to swear and the reason is simple - to perpetuate the lie that what he had suspected and later accused Anwar of in 1998 was true, that Anwar was a sodomist. In a sense, to cover his tracks, to prolong the so-called story about Anwar's tendencies.
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written by jchew, August 17, 2008 14:50:33
Vote PR, you are kicking directly in the teeth of those corrupted elite UMNO, MCA, MIC, Gerakan etc!
Vote PR, you are giving hopes to our children and their future.
Vote PR, you will enjoy the freedom of being a true human, being able to express freely and openly and not being afraid of being arrested.

Vote BN, we are lying not only to ourself but our children. Show those pictures of DR. Koon (Gerakan), Liow (MCA), Yen- Yen(MCA)to our children that they are lying and corrupt; they stood together with the C4 gang and want us to vote for BN!
Vote BN, we are letting the lanun2 run loose and will continue to steal our wealth
Vote BN, we are endorsing their corrupted action

Do not afraid of change, especially we have more to gain.
Give PR and Anwar a go, we deserve a good government
Long live Anwar, long live Raja Petra, Long live Pas, Long live Keadilran, long live DAP! You all are the true champions of rakyat Malaysia!

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written by oknyua, August 17, 2008 14:51:02
For Christians OT provided for inLeviticus 19:12, except don't swear under lies.

NT no provisons at all. Jesus said no, no, no. Mathew 5:33-37. Heaven is God's home. Earth s God's footstool. AND I say, the Holy Word is His words. Don't murah-kan God's words. Let your yes be yes and No be No.
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written by JUST, August 17, 2008 14:53:43
If you tell the truth, you remember for life. Nothing to be afraid of!
If you lie, you have to create 1001 lies to cover ONE.
You can cheat your own conscience and lie to the whole world, GOD knows.
GOD spares no evils! The truth will prevail!
Justice will be served...... one way or another!
Evils will subject to eternity of God’s retribution!

GOD bless all!
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written by Naha, August 17, 2008 14:55:35
Don't forget that the Qur'an being reduced to a mere political tool has its precedence very early in history. I quote below from http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCL...r5a/2.html:

Raising Quran on Spear
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In addition to the atrocities commited by Muawiyah, perhaps his act of raising the Quran on the spear against Imam Ali (AS) in the Battle of Siffin undoubtedly reflects on his character as a ruler, a person that would resort to any means to make his plan a success. He played with the book of Allah in order to deceive the naive people. As a result of this trick, al-Khawarij (those who believed Imam Ali is politheist and unbeliever) emerged in the history of Islam.

Ibn Sa'd reports a tradition from al-Zuhri that:

"At the eve of the Battle of Siffin when fight was at it's peak and people had started to loose hope, Amr Ibn al-Aas said to Muawiyah:

Accept my proposal and order the people (i.e., army of Muawiyah) to open the Quran (i.e., raise the Quran on spears) and say, O people of Iraq, we call you towards the Quran, and we decide by virtue of what is contained in it from al-Hamd to al-Naas.

This act will create dissension in the ranks and file of the Iraqis and will create hopes for the people of Shaam. Thereby Muawiyah accpeted his proposal. (to do as he said)."

Sunni references:
- Tabaqat of Ibn Sa'd, v4, p255 as per
- Khilafat Mulikiyat, Abul Ala Maududi, p345

The same fact has been mentioned in great detail by al-Tabari, Ibn Kathir,
Ibn al-Athir, and Ibn Khaldoon. The purpose behind the propsal was to
create dissension in the ranks and file of Imam Ali's (as) army, and even
if they accept the proposal (of calling towards the Quran), Muawiya's army
would manage to buy time to delay the battle.

Sunni references:
- History of al-Tabari, v4, p34
- al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, by Ibn Katir, v7, p272
- Histoty of Ibn al-Athir, v3, p160
- History of Ibn Khaldoon, v2, p174
- Khilafat Mulukiyat, Maududi, p345

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written by DXB2008, August 17, 2008 14:58:46
Matlamat menghalalkan cara, apapun untuk survival diri dan kaum keluarga...baca tentang Pamela Anderson pun pun mahu masuk Islam...http://1426.blogspot.com/2008/...limah.html
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written by DanielYKL, August 17, 2008 15:03:50
Mahathir challenged Anwar to do the same, that is to swear on the Quran his innocence. Now this is strange. What if Anwar did swear? Does that make him innocent? Does that prove that he did not sodomise Saiful? Don't you think that Mahathir comments is making a mockery out of the swearing on the Quran? BTW, swearing on the Quran is un-Islamic That could only mean one of them is lying - and both are Muslim! This is blasphemy! And making a mockery out of the Quran. I'm confused again!
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written by rockli, August 17, 2008 15:09:00
Swearing on a holy book came from the Western tradition of swearing on the Bible.
Dunno if this is the same with Islam here, but If it is, then best to nullify this nonsensical act otherwise your religion gets mocked.
Islam is already against many Western standards, and yet to copy from them - this is sad.


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written by Food Thought, August 17, 2008 15:13:22
What a joke. This Saiful can swear inside out, upside down, left and right. Then what? smilies/angry.gif For those who read this saiful's blog before do you think he can be trusted ? After all his posting of foul words and cursing and then suddenly he become alim in front of the camera. Please lar saiful, you're nothing but a low iq dropout stupid fool. For all I care, you can swear to anything as long as money is in for you. So, Saiful swear all you want, swear with all your might, swear to anything you want but I'll spit at you, oh no, not me along but thousands of Malaysian will spit at you and worse, curse you and your family with all our might for your stupidity because you've made us rakyat looks like a fool and wasted our taxpayers' monies as well!!
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written by Richy, August 17, 2008 15:14:10
Did anyone see the qualities in Anwar as Muslim? I see that and hope the Muslims especially see that too!

A person who is god fearing and religious will never do few things under whatever circumstances.

1) He will never dare to swear on his holy books or in the name of god. Anwar never wants to swear on Koran – which means he respects and fears god and his holy religion.

2) Saiful in accusing Anwar of sodomizing him, has sworn on Koran to prove he was telling the truth. In Anwar’s case, he has refused though it matters most for him as he is in for election – willing to take a risk of losing rather than exploiting religion.

3) “Let us assume Anwar had actually sodomized Saiful” If this was a truth, we could imagine the type of Anwar we could see– a sodomite could not be respecting his religion and god so much, so he would have also by now sworn on Koran as requested to quickly come out clean at whatever cost. To him Koran could be a plain book and nothing more.

Did Anwar do that? No, not all. So it’s easy conclusion. Someone who had gone to the extent of raping another person would also be capable of lying under any circumstances more so in the case of Anwar, who has so many things, including being a PM on the stake. Yet he is not willing for one sole reason- don’t belittle god and religion for your personal interest. Therefore it is not possible for Anwar to indulge himself into this despicable act.

ANWAR IS INNOCNET AND GOD FEARING MAN.
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written by netmiser88, August 17, 2008 15:19:22
Former PKR Youth chief Mohamed Ezam Mohd Nor said it was not easy for Saiful to do what he did. “If I were Anwar, the next thing I’ll do is to go to the mosque and prove my innocence. The legal way is not enough.”

What is this idiot trying to say? The LEGAL WAY is NOT GOOD ENOUGH????

When UMNO can pokeup the legal system what is this swearing on the Koran that is so HARD TO LIE???

Ask Sifool!....He did bootifoolyyy!
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written by wongnoball, August 17, 2008 15:25:40
Alamak, the mentality of the Great Mamak is also the same as Saful ...........
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written by PASOK, August 17, 2008 15:27:48

The truly contemptuous ones are the government people who are making use of this young man.
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written by Rashid, August 17, 2008 15:33:26
Well, the Qu'ran makes it clear that the more someone is inclined to swear and urge others to swear, he is a habitual liar. You don't need to be born to know Mahathir (Chancellor of the School of Sodomy, double faced sname Ee-zam and the base born Sinful) are habitual liars and inborn hypocrites. That's why the Quran warns against people who always "swear" because it is a characteristic of the hypocrites.

Don't listen to the type of despicable men,- ready with oaths

Defamer, going about with slander

(Habitually) hindering (all) good, transgressing beyond bounds, deep in sin,

Ignoble, besides all that, base-born." (Quran Karim 68: 10-13)



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written by kl_wong, August 17, 2008 15:36:02
All the Parliment who is MUSLIM should then hold the Holy Quran and swear they are not CORRUPT. I dare you all....but then nothing will happen for now is heaven to them with money and power in hands.But I wish there is after life, then those corrupted goverment servants, May You Rot in Hell.
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written by krepot, August 17, 2008 15:47:48
Well, this idiot just set a really stupid precedent!

1. Does this swearing mean the accuser is INNOCENT?
2. Does this swearing mean the accused is GUILTY?

Left unchecked, this could be very dangerous in the administration of justice.

The courts should make it VERY CLEAR,
swearing does NOT
makes the accuser or the accused any more INNOCENT!

The court of law and the justice system will finally decide.
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written by kislean, August 17, 2008 15:48:39
To all the bad muslims, I have this to say, do not push your luck with your creator, your God. Like I used to say, it's not so simple as you think when you decide and plan to do some evil(s) and plan to repent later, your sin(s) are forgiven. A religious man would not even think of doing evil let alone carrying it out. Just you wait, sooner or later, your punishment will come. Many had died or are suffering from terminal cancer or some sort of illnesses with no cure. Be afraid. Be very afraid !
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written by non conformist, August 17, 2008 16:01:32
Jesus said:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
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What has this stupid and meaningless religious ritual of swearing to do with telling the truth?

"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

Saiful is so obviously a fool and a scumbag ful of lies.
And he even dare to sware by the holy book of his god,
Thus NOT ONLY taking the name of his god in vain,
BUT ALSO bearing false witness against another Muslim!

Horror of horror... Saiful has committed such abominable evil.
May his god deal justly with such a devious and perverse man.

The God of heaven declared:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

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written by Loonie, August 17, 2008 16:04:20
How about Mahathir too swears on the Koran to say he had never, never raped the country's resources and cheated on the poor rakyat for 22 years?
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written by uzumaki naruto, August 17, 2008 16:07:29
sigh...i think malaysia-today is getting stale by every other day. i used to like this site but hmmm i guess its becoming a political mouthpiece for certain quarter with vested interest.

well RPK, most politician are crooks. let them fight each other off. may the best crook wins. however, it would be safer and better for Malaysia to be run by "straight" crook.

i think Malaysia Insider is better.

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written by Loonie, August 17, 2008 16:07:32
Oh, how about getting najib to swear on the holy book that he had never, never, never ,never met Atlantuya? rosmah could have sworn on the Koran that she wasn't involved in the murder of Atlantuya too. How about bodowi swearing on the holy book about not having seen the military report huh?
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written by gorshan, August 17, 2008 16:25:13
oh yes Aishah' story is just like Sita's story.10 months in Ravan's captivity and she was given the test of fire to prove her chastity.

in both case women conveniently given the blame. their word or denial is not enough. its a men world afterall. smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by gorshan, August 17, 2008 16:30:22
on the subject of swearing on the holy book, lets get every civil servants to periodicallly swears on the holy book they have not enjoyed the proceed of any corruptions. it will be a busy years ahead for all the clergymen smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by vineeth menon, August 17, 2008 16:31:30
uzumaki naruto,
Then, why are you here .. Logout and get Out !!! Can i tell you some thing.. Its human nature that one want, others to say, what he/she like to hear. Unfortunately, its the more of a personal problem. cheers..
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written by chaimah, August 17, 2008 16:37:18
Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever swearing on the Quran or the Bible that they are guilty of anything.Does it also mean that anyone who swears on the quran or the Bible means that they are innocent? Legal issues should be settled in a court of law, if swearing on the Quran or the bible is so definitive then why the need to have any judiciary system.I can't for the life of me understand how intelligent people can suggest that swearing on the Quran will refelect that you are not guilty. If life was so simple why don't we just get every politician, judge, police personnel, lawyers, doctors and everyone who works for the government to swear either on the quran or bible or any religious book of their own faith that they have never committed any wrong doing in the course of their duty. Wow we would all be such model citizens and the world would be such a wonderful place.Let's get real, swearing on the quran or the Bible does not prove innocence or guilt, it may prove that if one is guilty that one has no respect for the Quaran or the Bible. Such people will sell their mother to make a buck and it does not cost them anything to swear.
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written by chiongguo, August 17, 2008 16:42:47
how valid is this swearing on the Quran, which Saiful conducted in the Federal Territory Mosque? Does such a thing exist in Islam?



RPK it doesn't matter if it is in there or not. The people manipulating and orchestrating all these are only interested in "inventing" events and then spreading it out like wild fire. Very few will ask if it is islamic. Many will just accept it and the doubt is planted and this seed of doubt will sprout into many forms when the condition is right.

How do you challenge such campaign with multi-headed hydra ? Education is important but again very few has the time or even the will to find out. Razaleigh's downfall also came about by such dirty tricks when he was shown to be wearing a kandazan headgear containing a cross which had nothing to do with christianity.



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written by kupas, August 17, 2008 16:46:44
by willing to swear by the Quran does not make one innocent. Any rational mind would not accept such action as proof of one's innocence.
Does not matter who does it. Saiful swearing in Masjid Wilayah with his father by his side does not make him innocent of sodomy nor does it make Anwar guilty of sodomny for refusing to do likewise.
Saiful must be the greatest of old fool to even think that we will buy his swearing as proof of his innocence.His action further impressed upon us - he is guilty as hell for conspiracy with BN.
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written by smokingsoldier, August 17, 2008 16:53:00
RPK... what these UMNO bastards are doing; is not under the name of ISLAM. they have a new religion headed by bodohwi, which is ISLAM HadHARI. it seems that this new religion allows swearing upon the Quran.
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written by azmibalong, August 17, 2008 17:04:59
saksi bahawa tiada Tuhan yang aku sembah melainkan Allah, dan aku naik saksi bahawa Muhammad adalah rasul Allah'.the arabic version of this swearing also consist of 24 words. 24 or 2 and 4 , is also a sacred no in the study of advance islamic teaching knwon as Tasawuf. in other word it means that the actual quran for every single muslim in this world is the person himself , and you carried it around every day , what ever you do either good or bad, the quran in you is witnessing every moment of you. The written one is just a plain book that consist all God' own instruction to the prophet, the law, the do's and the dont's, and the history of islam, nothing more. So to all muslim, stop making fool of your self by doing what Saifool has done! Jangan jadi Bodoh macam Unta dan keldai.
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written by shamadz72, August 17, 2008 17:10:52
I find it hard to believe that the Imans in the FT Mosque even allowed and witnessed the swearing. In other words, they endorsed the swearing on the Quran. I mean, don't they know that it's un-Islamic? I'm confused!

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It is a common knowledge among Muslim Malaysia here that there are 2 types of mosque exist in Malaysia. The 1st one is the mosque built by the government and control by the government. The 2nd one is the mosque built mostly by people's donation money. The one built with the government money normally looks grand and expensive but deserted most of the time except for friday's prayer. The one built with donation's money will be quite lively and have more congregation most of the times and not just confine to Friday's prayer. You can even see people praying on the tarmac or outside of the mosque due to not enough capacity to cover the congregation for this type of mosque. This type of mosque normally doesn't look that grand compared to the 1st type of mosque. Another distinctive features is that the imams managing the 1st type of mosque normally looks young (just like recently graduated scholar) and tends to give Friday's sermon by reading the text book unlike the imam for the 2nd type of mosque.
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written by budakindia, August 17, 2008 17:21:08
What's with UMNO? Buttocks and swearing. Is it a kind of favorite sport in UMNO? smilies/wink.gif
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written by azmibalong, August 17, 2008 17:45:51
Apologised for the mistyping on my earlier comments, here is the full version:

Let me explain a bit on the Quran for those who really wanted to know more. The quran we seen , read and used today are also known as 'Quran Tersurat'or 'the printed book of divinity'. What all of muslim did not know and aware the other quran also known as 'Quran Tersirat' or 'the hidden inner book of divinity', The quran tersurat has been around for more than thousand of years, from the day where the camel and the donkey used to carry it around behind their back, up until today where we have witness how Saifool has misused it to take the swearing using the Quran. What saifool has done, and to the people whore dare and challenge DSAI to counter swear are people who are actually make fool of them self.The real quran for every muslim is lies inside every person who profess islam. Let me elaborate. The quran consist of 6666 words. Therefore 6 x 4 = 24. Fine,Every muslim are required to take oath in their daily prayer:- 'Aku naik saksi bahawa tiada Tuhan yang aku sembah melainkan Allah, dan aku naik saksi bahawa Muhammad adalah rasul Allah'.the arabic version of this swearing also consist of 24 words. so its 24,what does 24 got to to do with the Quran? 24 or 2 and 4 , is also a sacred no in the study of advance islamic teaching knwon as Tasawuf. Every single words and phrases in the quran consist with either 2, 4 , 5, 6, and 7, this are all numbers that indirectly relates and binds all diverse and advance teachings in Tasawuf.In a simple word it means that the actual quran for every single muslim in this world is the person himself , and they carried it around every moment and day, what ever they do either good, bad, or worst, the quran in you is witnessing every moment of what you do. The written one is just a plain book that consist all God' own instruction to the prophet, the law, the do's and the dont's, and the history of islam, etc, nothing more. So to all muslim, stop making fool of your self by doing what Saifool has done! "Jangan jadi Bodoh macam Unta dan keldai. tahu bawak kitab ke hulu ke hilir, tak tahu apa yang di bawa"
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written by ahmadneil, August 17, 2008 17:49:46
I don't think the book on his hand is a Koran.It's the 'Malay Dilemma'.
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written by AsamLaksa, August 17, 2008 17:51:45
So the answer 42 is possibly very valid! smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif
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written by teohpg, August 17, 2008 17:53:48
the one that foamed in the mouth already not surfacing for talks anymore....he actually said he wanted to resign if he fails...apparently he still think the salary he got is good for stay.
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written by ASK4u, August 17, 2008 17:58:40
Please laa UMNO, I beg you to leave religion out of your politics.Don't drag religion into your dirty foils.You tried everything already from race (UiTM 10% intake)and now even the holy book is not spared.DSAI is a true Muslim and he has a lot of respect for the Holy Quran. That is the reason why he is refraining from following Saifools step.I hope every Muslim's understand DSAI predicament and not to take DSAI hesitation to swear on the Quran as being guilty of the charges.Obviously, Tun Dr and some other Muslim who are instigating DSAI to swear on the Quran are bereft of SQ(Spiritual Quotient) let alone IQ and EQ. smilies/angry.gif smilies/sad.gif
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written by magickriver, August 17, 2008 18:09:06
Brilliant and inspired response to Mahathir's mamakish mutterings, Pete! My good wishes and kind thoughts are constantly with you and Marina.
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written by HARIMAU BIN ABDULLAH, August 17, 2008 18:14:48
TDM = makin tua makin bodoh = batu api = tunggu mati
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written by Kathy, August 17, 2008 18:20:38
Hmm, is this Saiful a robot? Poor lad, not in the monetary sense though, but how does he look at himself in the mirror every morning? Someone should check his bank accounts.
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written by ROBERTNGTG, August 17, 2008 18:30:55
Yet, on 2nd August, Malaysiakini reported that in a posting in Saiful’s blog on 1st August, ‘Saiful also briefly wished Anwar ‘good luck’ in contesting for the Permatang Pauh by-election’.

SO YOU SHOWED WHAT A LOUSY LIAR AND ACCUSER YOU ARE. REALLY FULL OF SHIT.
DSAI, IF IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING THE MALAY VOTES THAT U HV TO SWEAR, THEN JUST DO IT AND BE DONE. SO WHAT IF U ALSO SWEAR THAT U ARE INNOCENT?? THEN SHITFUL WILL BE CHARGED FOR FALSE ACCUSATION??? MAMAK, YOU SHOULD BE SAYING NICE WORDS TO DSAI. MUSHARAFF IS NOT GETTING ANY AMNESTY, AND I DOUBT YOU WILL ALSO GET ANY.
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written by onnetline, August 17, 2008 18:50:38
What's so great about getting paid to swear ?????

Please enlighten me !
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written by miwaki, August 17, 2008 19:02:10
Now I know how much UMNO people understand Islam,please go back to school and start all over again.You people have tarnish the image of Islam and muslims,prepare to be punished in your next lives.Quickly repent and be righteous,you have very little time left.
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 19:04:31
The Holy Book...

Let's see. If prohet mohammed was born in 570 ad and the Koran was written some 200 years later. That makes is like 770 ad.

So the Koran is about 1238 years old.

I asked my Engineer to go and book a crane for my project last week and asked him to record it in his notebook. He dutifully does it and this morning at the project site, there was no crane! ****!

I enquired him and he said forget!. I asked him again how many times he prays and he said 5 times. I again asked him if he has ever forgotten to pray and he say no.

A good Muslim is what a Good Muslim does. Be faithful in the small things with man and the big picture will be right! God is for everyone, each man for himself.

Let me tell you the truth...

You and me can't even remember what we eat 2 weeks ago on Friday. How can we trust some joker who write down something? Come onlah! Be pratical.

Don't listen to the joker Saiful. He is full of shit!
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 19:15:26
So how is the Old Testament being written? Any Bullshit in it?

Read more..

http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Writing_the_Torah.asp

http://www.clarion-call.org/yeshua/torah.htm

The holy bible is the book most courts in America use to swear on...

You mean the Muslims also do the same with the Koran?

Can I conclude that they are the same same?

Phak Lah
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written by bexe, August 17, 2008 19:24:58
What is troubling me in all this is why the officials of that mosque allowed this "ritual" to take place in the fashion that is alien to Islam?
Are they now pawns in this political game too? Have they given Allah's blessings to crooks and lairs and are they as corrupt?
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written by Changes, August 17, 2008 19:44:29
Is it ok with RPK and PR that we abolish the courts and just use the quran. OR SHALL WE JUST USE THE BIBLE. Anyway
for you stupid ****ing jokers just spend some time reading the quran and BIBLE and you will see that they say the same things BUT the quran is still with the old testement and the BIBLE is New Testement and thats why you people are ****ING LOST.
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written by rams609, August 17, 2008 19:47:57
STOP all discussions on this issue.

Quick, ask our ONE AND ONLY IMAM.
IMAN HadHARI...

Only an Imam Hadhari can give you the light, show you the way.....

Gotta pisspot anyone?

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written by Taikohtai, August 17, 2008 19:52:42
Mamak TDM's sandiwara at the Lingamgate RC showed to the whole world what a warped mind is capable of. He was most unhappy with Sodomy II when he became aware of it but looks like he has now joined the party! Looks like Mamak TDM is running out of ideas too or should I say, told one lie too many!
He is now facing a huge dilemma, just by looking at the turnout of the hoi polloi at Anwar's nomination day in PP.
By resorting to swearing on the Koran and whatever dirty tricks, he hopes to delay the inevitable. Mamak TDM, the Titanic could only go one way and that was down. Your future seems headed in the same direction too and as you are already over 80 years old, PLEASE MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR MAKER, if not DSAI.
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written by The dragonheart, August 17, 2008 20:06:42
written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 | 19:04:31

Let me tell you the truth...

You and me can't even remember what we eat 2 weeks ago on Friday. How can we trust some joker who write down something? Come onlah! Be pratical.


cheemengwong, what are you trying to say/prove?
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 20:23:52
Don't read between the lines ok? There is nothing in it!

What I am trying to say is that time distorts messages, stories, lies, truth, facts and fiction alike.

Don't be dogmatic in our thinking. Can we let God almighty guide us daily without having to resort to any kind of hand me down bullshit for all religion.

All religion hands down some form of bullshit and many just swallow it hook and sinker.

Prak Lah
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written by bunian, August 17, 2008 20:24:30
Dreamlander,

I really don't know what Sayfool said but when I swear, I say, "%$^&*$#@)%#*&)(!!!" He might have said the same thing, too, but I swear I didn't turn my back on him.
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 20:29:28
Some religious nut refrains from eating meat and group of followers grew and become a cult and religion.

Some religious fark eat while crossing his legs and soon a cult of followers follows suit.

Some religious fark read the religious book upside down and soon a group of followers emerges and follows suit.

Some religious idiot prints money and burnt it, soon a group follows. Some even built condominiums and burnt it as offerings.

Some religios group use the bible to swear in court and soon some other idiots follows.

Some religious fart cuts a white chicken and swears on his mothers name and soon a group of morons follows.

Some religious quirk shaved bald and punch holes on their head and soon a group of Siau Lin follows.

Some religious leader marries and keep on marrying virgins and soon a group emerge to follow..

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written by bakas, August 17, 2008 20:30:07
So now everyone can see that it is not the religion that teaches you how to do bad things, but the so-called followers themselves. Hey, if the devil can tempt anyone to sin, I bet he also can tempt anyone to desecrate the Quran.

Now everyone can see how men were the uilty ones in manipulating religion to satisfy their greeds and lust.

By the way, maybe these 'model' Muslims who swore on the Quran think that since Ramadhan is around the corner, they can 'taubat' and wash away all the lies. This makes it a mockery of the real meaning of the fasting month and for those who really aspire for good to overcome evil.

Shame on you 'model' Muslims. May Allah have mercy on your souls.

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written by peter, August 17, 2008 20:33:25
When one lies all the time, one won't know when one's wagging tongue will lie again. "It’s all a coincidence. We don’t know that Anwar is going to contest.." my foot. You're a true blue liar Penoh-Sai. You lie more than your "kurap-ted" ******* can shit.
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written by Mirage, August 17, 2008 20:47:37
What if Anwar swears? Then what? We are back to the legality and the prove. I think the whole reason behind this is because the Doctor's report could not be use. But if Anwar does not swear, the rule of law and court preceeding will still have to be enforce as it does not take that into consideration. ......NO DIFFERENCE.
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written by Richy, August 17, 2008 20:58:32
RPK, I know you don't have any trust in our police. However I think it is a must you should make a police report against lawyer Shafee for insulting your birth and your parent. By doing so he has also disrespected your father who was the prince of Selangor sultanate. He has also disrespected your dad for marrying your mom.
Sorry I had to say this. Apology if it had offended you.
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written by dassky2000, August 17, 2008 21:33:04
This bastars saiful iis lieing thru his teeth lah. Mana untie pat tidak nampak pun d masjid?
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written by patriotic1994, August 17, 2008 21:43:06
Saiful does not fear God. He is now using God to support him.

Imagine you have a fight with your brother, and your father already dead and with a picture hanged on the wall. Do you now grab your father's picture and try to argue with your brother that you are right? What kind of son is that?

So I say Saiful does not fear God, and the consequence will be severe.
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written by Daryl, August 17, 2008 21:43:40
Sinful
I wonder where is your Uncle Pet now after that interview.... No credibility after that.... what a bunch of joker.
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written by TWOG, August 17, 2008 21:50:07
Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad has dared Pakatan Rakyat leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to swear on the Quran to prove he is innocent of the sodomy charge he faces.

If only life is so simple. Just swear on the Quran, or any holy book to prove one's "truth" or otherwise. If this is true, then we won't need all the expensive courts, Palace of Justice, judges and so many liars lawyers.

Also, if someone is so unafraid of God as to commit murder, what's there to prevent him from swearing on the Quran. You think the guy(s) who used C4 on a poor Mongolian girl will be afraid to swear on the Quran?

If politicians and ex-politicians can lied through their teeth and are as forked tongue as they come, do you think they will hesitate for one second to swear on the Quran?

Think...

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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 22:03:37
Swearing on the Koran
Swearing on the Bible
Sacrificing the white chicken
Carrying the Kawadi
Walking across burning charcoal
Fasting without food but drink water
Going to pray 5 times
Doing the Pilgrimage
Cutting the little fingers, mixing blood with others and drinking it
Burnt jossticks, burn money, burnt condo, burnt bicycle, burnt China dolls

Can all the above wash away our sins?
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 22:07:25
From the day Sai Fool sworn on the Koran, Malaysia has declared that...

a. All bank robbers can swear on the koran to prove their innocence.
b. All murderers need NOT go to court but swear on the koran to prove their innocence
c. All corrupted politicians will do likewise to prove their innocence.
d. All adultress will do the same.
e. Murders will be freed if they dare swear on the Koran in the BIgger mosque.

Park Lah
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written by Berean, August 17, 2008 22:13:36


Looks like we won't need the law courts anymore. Just swearing on one's holy book would be deemed the way to resolve crimes.
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written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 22:18:11
Now that the olympic gold is no more in our grasp...maybe olympic can introduce the sodomy game.

I am sure saiful will get gold.
Lajib silver
and makathir bronze

Park lah
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written by Kathy, August 17, 2008 22:23:41
Either Saiful has got a memory like a sieve or he has too many script writers who can't get their stories right. Gosh, if the judge doesn't throw this case out at the first hearing I will think I'm living in dreamland. smilies/grin.gif
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written by Berean, August 17, 2008 22:30:55
Since he is now condoning this act, TUN DR M SHOULD SWEAR ON THE KORAN HE DID NOT FACRICATE EVIDENCE AGAINST ANWAR IN SODOMY ONE, plus a whole host of other alledged misdeeds in order to clear his name... and ....

In that case, SHAFEE ABDULLAH THE UNMO LAWYER SHOULD ALSO SWEAR ON THE KORAN.
He is using criminal defamation charges against you so you don't need to prove what you have said is correct. Indeed "Birds of a feather flock together".

LET THE CIRCUS CONTINUE ! However, I do feel sorry for the good sincere muslims.

RPK... anyway, as a Christian I can tell you that the swearing of the Bible also proves nothing, but the worst thing is that practice allows people to make a joke of God's Word. What those "so called Christians" are doing by swearing on the holy Bible is wrong and against what is written in the Bible itself (as highlighted by 'non conformist').
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written by khongja, August 17, 2008 22:39:32
This TDM talks so much of proving one innocence by SWEARING ON THE KORAN.How about he do it to prove he was'nt involved with the frst sodomy charge? Such advise from an evil man who fixed Anwar wholesale.
Yes !this is the guy who buggered the country's wealth like his fieldom,and has the gall to talk on swearing!
Why not swear that his family 's wealth is hard earned .Then maybe , we might believe you.
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written by activepro, August 17, 2008 22:39:51
Looking at the picture,we can see Saifool's old man next to him.If you were Saifool's dad,would u be doing the same after having read what the leaked medical report from the Pushisass Hospital? What about the pictures taken with those god damn ministers and that faggot in front of that fat face stinking DPM's office?What about answering how a 60 year old man pinning down a 6 footer dumdshit and screw his ass?If Saifool's old man didn't ask his stupid son these questions but instead believe him blindly,then he must be his son's PIMP ! I would like to see what his mother has to say on this,I believe women esp mothers, are less capable of lying or condone to their sons' wretched and ridiculous scheme like these.Bloody cunning Mahathir as well calling for the swearing on the Quran.He knew very well that there are not evidence whatsoever to implicate DSAI in sodomy P2,so he desperately threw this flimsy challenge to DSAI to swear on their Holy book,hoping that if DSAI didn't swear on it,then some old Muslim kampung folks would believe that DSAI's guilty.Didnt this desperate old horse know that there were some 100,000 supporters turned up at Permatang Pauh yesterday to show their huge support for DSAI on nomination day?Doesn't he know that that there are millions who simply don't believe the craps that's being churned out by these BN idiots?These evils can manipulate the young minds(those UITM shithe***) or the old and retarded to believe their ridiculous or senseless stories but they can't influence the new age right thinking people.ONe thing for sure,they will lose sooner or later.
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written by omarkhayyam, August 17, 2008 22:43:02
saya-fool you will go down in the Modern Day Malay Annals as the first malay who went on air to claim you were sodomized by a 60 year man .... good luck to your rear and please insure it under Takaful since you had been examined earlier by Pusrawi....

will get JAKIM to give you "non-halal" certificaton as well

cheers
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written by DontPlayGod, August 17, 2008 22:45:42
Since Ezam said that the legal way is not good enough, it means he is saying that our judiciary will prove nothing. So, does swearing on the Koran solve this issue? This will be another man-made rictual for obvious reasons.

It is time for those religious fanatics(all religions) to come together and dicuss the essence or gist of religions, and try to understand what religions are trying to tell us. Enough of quoting this verse or that verse. The simple reason is that none of the religious scriptures were written by the prophets themselves nor vetted by them. The scriptures or holy books were written many years after the deaths of the prophets, and it is moot how accurate are the religious scriptures.

I have always said that all rictuals are man-made, including swearing on the holy books.
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written by kinistau, August 17, 2008 23:41:47
Great, great, now that he sworn,

..anyone who has been betrayed by him, or anyone who dislike him, or anyone who he has owe money, or owe him money,...

... can drop a bottle on his head when he walks to his apartment.. or ramming him at the car park as he walks to his car and say...

... it is what happen because he told lie during his swearing ceremony.

ouch...

DSAI can use this opportunity to punish Saiful and proof his innocent at the same time.
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written by Daryl, August 18, 2008 00:00:58
If you get caught lying in court you probably pay fine or go to jail. However, if you get caught lying to God and trying to swear before him that you are innocent you are asking for trouble. God Bless your soul Sinful if you use God's name in vain.
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written by RitchieLow, August 18, 2008 00:09:59
So, Anwar goes forward and swears on the holy book like what Dr M said he should and..wait..now both are innocent ? so.. duh.. what do we do ?.. are the judges and the police there for another purpose ? duh...
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written by kinistau, August 18, 2008 00:16:19
An Open Letter - advice to Saifool,

Walk carefully for you may fall and break your neck,
Drive carefully for you may hit a lamp post,
Forget Motorbike all together for you may squash by lorry hantu,

Because if it does happen that you end up in hospital, and even if it does not kill you; you will prove yourself a lier.

WATCH YOUR STEP. YOUR LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. REGRET? its too late.
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written by RPK4PM, August 18, 2008 00:52:45
After Saiful finished the swearing that he was sodomised by DSAI, he went to the back of the mosque and pray to the God again. This time he said :-

"Oh God please forgive me, I need the 2 millions desperately."



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written by SotPlug, August 18, 2008 01:05:19
There is actually no need to talk any sense or logic into these idiots. It's just so stupid that these so-called 'leaders' of Malaysia has nothing more important to do than to pressure DSAI into swearing on the Quran.

What's gonna happen if DSAI does swear?
Will all charges be dropped?
Will the court straight away declare DSAI as innocent?
If not, then what? If nothing is going to change, then swearing for what?
If it is just about what the people want, then why don't Abdullah step down first? Isn't that what the people had wanted?

These are all just stupid people with too much time.
To the idiots, go scratch your crotches in the corner and stop insulting our intelligence with your idiotic ideas. It's a shame their parents sacrifice so much and all they get in return is just a useless, brainless and shameless idiot.


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written by PakItam, August 18, 2008 01:26:34
Can somebody please check whether Say-fruit was really sodomised? How could that sorry puckered a*hole of his be forced open? At errr… gun-point?

Saifooled, if you can take it like a man from the rear end then stand up and face it like man. Stop sodomising the rest of us rakyat.

*******
If a std 6 child can fight OFF an adult, I don't know why a 23-yr old, strapping 6-footer could'nt fend for his ass. ...sigh
Friday August 15, 2008
Teachers in molest claims
By NELSON BENJAMIN (Star)

LABIS: Two primary school teachers have been arrested for allegedly molesting and performing indecent acts on their pupils.
The teachers, aged 35 and 27, from two different schools in Labis and Kluang respectively, were arrested after pupils lodged police reports.
Investigations showed that the students were molested in different places, including a school’s counselling room, an art class and even in a park.
In the latest report in Labis last week, a Year 6 pupil who failed to attend her extra classes was asked to see the discipline teacher in the counselling room.
Sources said that instead of reprimanding her, the 35-year-old teacher started showing her pornographic pictures on his laptop and molested her.
The family suspected something amiss when the girl refused to go to school the next day. The family then lodged a police report.
In the other case in Kluang, several Year 6 pupils lodged separate reports after being molested by their 27-year-old teacher, allegedly since March this year.
In one case, the teacher had offered a 12-year-old pupil a ride in his car to attend Friday prayers but took him to a secluded area instead and molested him and tried to sodomise him.
The boy managed to fight him off and demanded to be sent home.
Johor CID chief Senior Asst Comm (II) Amer Awal appealed to those with information to contact the police hotline at 07-2212 9999.
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written by mucking fuddled, August 18, 2008 02:39:53
someone give me strength...i just fell off my chair...
i haven't had so much hysterics for a long time...
its more hilarious than "the full monty"
the more i hear and read about UMNO's interpretations of islam the more hysterical i get....
are they really law makers of malaysia or just a bunch of actors from monty python's flying circus....
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written by lampard, August 18, 2008 03:11:29
I read this write up and laugh my lungs out! Some of these muslims i.e. Saiful, Mahathir, Ezam, Ahmad Said are indeed jokers of the millenium!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Awet-awet melayu, you are so pretty, do you mind to shed the tudungs??
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written by cabearth, August 18, 2008 05:26:52
Raja Petra says


Apparently, the tudung was ‘decreed’ for only the Prophet’s wives and not for all women. Anyway, that is another topic for another time as, today, we wish to talk about Saiful swearing on the Quran and he does not wear a tudung, yet.


I am perplexed by this statement. Becuase in the Quran there has never been an order meant only for the wives of the Prophet SAW.

Plus, this bizzare "decree" is very....bizzare and not to mention wierd.


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written by Homeyasu, August 18, 2008 06:16:25
The cops (and its aides) are allowed to rob/cheat. Haven't you heard?
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written by kawaafi, August 18, 2008 08:05:11
Salam,
Every Malaysian should be angry by this antics by saiful's swearing and challange DSAI to do the same. He make a mockery of Allah and Islam as RPK said. WHAT IF ALLAH swt DID CAST HIS CURSE, since he ask for it. Will the curse spare anyone of us, malay, muslims, chinese, indian, hindu, christians and others. None of us will be spared, even those who do not believe in religion/Islam will get it. and we do not know what, or when, or what time(generation) the curse will happen..

ALL THiS JUST BECAUSE OF SOME UMNOPUTRAS POLITICAL AGENDA...^%$@$#$*%*

you have issues with another human being.. let settle it within this world, in court. don't dragged Allah swt, and playfully asking HIS curse as if its nothing at all. HE will not like that.

and I pray,may ALLAH swt forgive us all and protect us from HIS curse as it may be asked by some desperate mis informed person.
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written by SUV, August 18, 2008 08:17:58
As a legend blogger calls it RACISM in ISLAM UMNO-PAS CULT.

Wonder what the guardian of Islam the Agong and Sultan do when Islam is Trashed and Insulted and Hina? Malays of UMNO-PAS Insult-Hina Islam but over songkok they want blood?? What gives?
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written by TWOG, August 18, 2008 08:29:08
Mahathir and Saiful - you are full of sai...
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written by maverich, August 18, 2008 08:36:08
written by Abdul Haq, August 17, 2008 | 14:50:07

Oh by the way heard that Saiful got RM 10 million for this..Not bad for a dropout!! Put it in FD and he doesn't need to work another day of his life and would probably be earning more that his mates at UNITEN when they graduate this year!!

Azizan the driver only got RM 1.5 million in 1998...well factor in inflation and SPM/STPM qualifications for this boy, and you get RM10 million 10 years down the road.


if saiful knows the consequence of his oath , he would never lied. IF saiful lied , then surely we will know soon. This happened many times before.

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written by Raja Gasper, August 18, 2008 08:38:51
Religious swearing doesn't prove one is guilty or innocent because God can
forgive both and neither court's judgements proves anything because it can
be manipulate by man.However God will punish the wicked one in due time.

All is guilty and sinner's before God and no one,even one is free of sins.

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written by ourtide, August 18, 2008 09:41:29
Haa.. Inilah dia Mahathir, umo' dah 80 tahun lebih, kata orang Islam. Hukum pun tak tau. Mana ada dlm Islam sumpah angkat Quran...Seda' la hang tu dah tua , dah nak mamp..h!!!!!
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written by antiilluminati, August 18, 2008 10:10:20
Saifool is a disgrace to the Malay race and Islam. Shame on you Saifool. Not only you make the malay race a laughing stock, you made God as well !.

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written by educationist, August 18, 2008 10:18:17
The PM says this Shitfull fella ought to be admired!
Yes by incompetents and fellow conspirators like him !
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written by Somewhere I Belong, August 18, 2008 10:23:15
Sumpah atas Kitab Al-Quran tidak pernah dilakukan oleh Rasulullah. Salah satu sebab adalah, pada zaman Rasulullah, Kitab Al-Quran belum dibukukan lagi sehingga di zaman Khalifah Uthman dimana kebykkan penghafaz al-Quran kebykkan nya mati syahid dan ini menyebabkan Khalifah Uthman membukukan Kitab Al-Quran. Another facts is dat, swearing on Al-Quran tu bukan Bidaah ke? Kerana sumpah diatas Kitab cuma dilakukan oleh org Kristian dan tidak dilakukan oleh org Islam. So kalau ada hujah2 lebih bernas lagi, sila huraikan berdasarkan Al-Quran dan hadis.
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written by uzumaki naruto, August 18, 2008 11:05:04
fuyooo...can't believe my eyes. i think i hold the record for the most voted down comment in M-T. hooray!

since the unpopular comment that i made was this;'most politician are crooks. let them fight each other off. may the best crook wins. however, it would be safer and better for Malaysia to be run by "straight" crook.'

i guess it is safe to assume that most M-T readers didn't agree with that and they feel that Malaysia would be safer and better if it were to be run by 'not-straight' crook. hmmmmmm...pretty interesting!

well then, as a conclusion, there's a strong possibility that most M-T readers here are categorically 'not-straight'. aauww...eeee tak kuasa mak! yuck!

dey vinneeth,....auww, jangan le mak marraaah, marraah. suka hati aiii le,kan itteww adalah hak aii juga? buang lah sikap marah mu itteww mak....auwww!

smilies/kiss.gif smilies/kiss.gif smilies/kiss.gif

naruto
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written by Somewhere I Belong, August 18, 2008 12:02:56
written by cabearth, August 18, 2008 | 05:26:52
Raja Petra says


Apparently, the tudung was ‘decreed’ for only the Prophet’s wives and not for all women. Anyway, that is another topic for another time as, today, we wish to talk about Saiful swearing on the Quran and he does not wear a tudung, yet.




I am perplexed by this statement. Becuase in the Quran there has never been an order meant only for the wives of the Prophet SAW.

Plus, this bizzare "decree" is very....bizzare and not to mention wierd.


Eh cabearth, why don't u read al-quran and read the traslation of al-Quran. Jgn takat baca dan tak paham satu makna pun.
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written by crayon, August 18, 2008 12:06:50
i'm not a muslim, but i share the sentiments of most(all) of you here about the swearing on the Quran. it is an insult to simply invent rules and call them "Islamic" when they are not. Simply unacceptable, and unforgivable!
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written by alhadee, August 18, 2008 12:18:20
Apparently, the tudung was ‘decreed’ for only the Prophet’s wives and not for all women. Anyway, that is another topic for another time as, today, we wish to talk about Saiful swearing on the Quran and he does not wear a tudung, yet.


Yes it is. It is not that the hair is 'aurah' but veil is just means to differentiate people for recognition such as this case.

That explains why for slaves, they are not required to cover the hair.

Looking into the present circumstances where there are no longer slavery, there is no need to cover the hair anymore because there is no longer the need to differentiate between who and who are Prophet's wives, or between free women and slaves and etc.

I am not qualified to say what is deemed as decent in Malaysian multi racial scenes. What is required by Islam depends on what the locals deemed as decent. Standard of what constitute decent in Bukit Bintang is obviously different from those in Kota Bharu.
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written by johntyc, August 18, 2008 12:26:52
if hell exist, saiful might be sodomised for eternity. a rather new form of punishment for sins. at that time, I might ask the devil or satan to have mercy on him. but.., I might not too! smilies/cool.gif
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written by Paramjothy, August 18, 2008 12:48:03
Since Dr.Mahathir ask Anwar to swear on the Quran, why dont Mahathir swear on the Quran that he did not screw up this country for his personal gains.
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written by joeawk, August 18, 2008 12:51:49
RPK,Ayoyo,u kept needling their ribs, no wonder the big monkey comes after you. He sees himself as the taiko, forgetting that you are the real taiko in cyberspace.

When the big monkey said that we bash islam, it is not true because we all learn from you.

If only the authopirity get themselves srtaightened up,they are the very people who have brought disrepute to Islam and they should be punished.

yeah, he also want to play the police and the AG, he was talking on TV about charging us for sedition. He must have been training hard to be AG in his dreams. Dangerous man, he sure is.
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written by Rozlan, August 18, 2008 12:56:56
I just dont know how Saiful want to defend himself in court...That young guy truly had been blinded with money..I strongly advised to claim his money quickly before the trial started..His oath didn t seem to alter voters opinion as UMNO had hoped.The medical reports didnt favored him..Most probably the presiding judge is neutral.UMNO bigwits are not fullhearted to support him.Even govt controlled medias were a bit neutral when reporting the case..The public are crying for your blood...



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written by Jit Dharma, August 18, 2008 13:40:07
Brother RPK, I recommend that all young Muslim boys and girls follow your
example and sacrifice for the love of their country and countrymen
regardless of their faith. You Sir, are the finest example of fearless faith
that they can follow. Yes, faith is fearless. God bless you Sir. The wolves
are circling with foam in their mouths and you don't flinch. We know what
dastardly deeds they are capable of and I Pray Almighty God will stay they
soiled hands.Amen and Om Shanti.
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written by crayon, August 18, 2008 15:38:36
wow, mr saiful has a memory span of a housefly or something? greatest joker on earth for saying he didnt know about the nomination since he congratulated mr anwar good luck in the nominations... makes us wonder, with this kind of poor memory, perhaps mr saiful wrongly recalled that he DREAMED he was sodomized? one can fantasize, right? smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by dkkl, August 18, 2008 15:42:25
it was a joke to see sai-fool dare to face the public after he got entertain with doggy position (if it is real). I thik he watch too much movie that swearing can bring anwar to justice. Gimme a break, will ya. Even you a serious killer swearing in quran, yur Allah will not strike lightning on him lar... you may pray 100 times in the mosque as well, and that still do not guarantee you will be in heaven as well.... so pls dun be so fanatic.. get real shit hole.
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written by CatV5, August 18, 2008 16:16:58
I highly recommend you guys to read this book... It's the writer's research on the connection with what we call "god" and us human throughout the ages... hope this could open some of those seeking eyes.... I dare you to read... RPK!! you should read this too!!

The Gods of Eden - William Bramley

If you're lazy, you can just read the analysis here

If still lazy or you wanna say i'm just bull or sesat or murtad or whatever... well i can only say to me is my religion and to to you is your religion... and i say it only once...

*religion to me is a way of life... so no hanky panky highly excessively detail written on stone rituals... books including those sacred books are just guides and source of knowledge... in sense we could create our own religion to ourselves based on the ideas depicted from others...

thanks to saiful, a lot of eyes has seen the truth of swearing by "a certain holy book"... he's our humble lab rat(thank you saiful)... let's see what happens to him... There is a big "G" God and small "g" god.... let's see whether they're interested to intervene in this small country... ooh the possibilities... we should be thankful to be given an opportunity to witness this cool events... there's more coming up... save your pop corn guys... we are approaching the climax of our civilization...

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written by HJ Angus, August 18, 2008 16:38:58
This creates more problems for judges who already have difficulty in deciding on religious matters in the civil courts.

http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot...aiful.html
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written by RickK, August 18, 2008 16:44:23
Raja,
Wonderful piece.In one stroke you address several issues and with great humour too.God bless you with continued wisdom and wit to show up Malaysians for what we really are!
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written by YSL, August 18, 2008 17:43:50
Saiful, the moment you are associated with Shit and Mrs. Shit, you probably don't know that your name has been changed to Shitful.

So please go and eat shit.
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written by Koleta, August 18, 2008 18:26:20
If Saiful swore on the Qur'an, it was done out of ignorance (y not?..even the King swears on the Qur'an) when sworn in. Why have the ulamas been silent?... This 23 yr old boy is innocent and he did it out of being honest... Nobody would be prepared to receive God's wrath to himself and his family (as he said)... if he is not speaking the truth.
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written by Koleta, August 18, 2008 18:35:32
So, you all DSAI diehard supporters can say what u like. I believe Saiful is telling the truth. Period.
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written by Koleta, August 18, 2008 18:41:38
And that does not mean that I'm on UMNO's side, that does not mean that Mr & Mrs u-know-who are clean, it does not mean that I support the police... and it does not mean that I'm saying PKR is all wrong... I'm just saying that Saiful was telling the truth.
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written by Koleta, August 18, 2008 18:56:33
So, Think. Use or own mind. Don't be swayed by political sentiment & emotion just because u all do not want to hurt yourselves when you discover that Saiful was speaking the truth after all. You all will not be able to take it because you are so blinded by prejudice. . Legally (in this world) DSAI may go scott free... he will win Permatang Pauh with blind supporters like you all. Real victory is when you are able to see the wood from the trees.
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written by bakas, August 18, 2008 20:28:30
So Koleta, Saiful is speaking the truth because he is swearing on the Quran? You also said:


So, you all DSAI diehard supporters can say what u like. I believe Saiful is telling the truth. Period.


How do you know he was telling the truth? Were you there when Saiful was sodomised? Maybe you could help to shed the truth in a more Islamic way, by being one of the four witnesses to help find the truth?

See, when you said that we were swayed by our political sentiment and emotion, I can see that you are missing the bigger point. If the court had justifiably and impartially convicted Anwar of the sodomy case, we, the pea-sized-brain-stupid-people-of-Bolehland (to quote Mr.Shafee, the 'honorable' lauyah) would have believed the accusation at 2nd try. Unfortunately, that trial is farce in a kangaroo court.

And you said Saiful was doing the swearing out of ignorance? I thought he was THE victim here, and he was ignorant of what? There are so many ways for him to redress his predicament in Islam and he chose what!!!? Swearing on the Holy Quran which can be found nowhere in the Quran! And don't you dare to bring His Majesty, The Agong into this! smilies/angry.gif You are comparing between a shit and a noble person, both with different aspiration and responsibilities. I suggest you go and check your facts right first. All the evidence adduced so far points to Anwar's innocence. What have you got? Or more specifically, what does the government have to prove that Anwar is guilty? That is why many 'stupid' Malaysians like us believe in Anwar being innocent before proven guilty. You, my friend on the other hand, jump the gun ahead of us! You make your judgment based on an act that seems Islamic, but contains no substance at all. In case you forget, Islam also promotes justice and fairness to all. So, again, don't you dare to interpret Islam the way you are doing it now! By all means, present your facts. Don't just talk, talk, talk like tin kosong. Kuat bunyi, tapi isi tada hapa!

Use you own advice. Think. Use your own mind. You sounded insulting, but I give you the benefit of the doubt. See? I use facts and evidence. You can swear on the Quran 1000X, I will still give you the benefit of the doubt and listen to what you want to say.

If anyone can swear on the Quran and be acquitted just like that, maybe all the real convicted criminals can do the same and we can release them. You see where this train might go to? Think for yourself.

Peace to you and all. Wasallam. smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by trublumalaysian, August 19, 2008 00:16:35
written by cheemengwong, August 17, 2008 | 22:07:25

From the day Sai Fool sworn on the Koran, Malaysia has declared that...

a. All bank robbers can swear on the koran to prove their innocence.
b. All murderers need NOT go to court but swear on the koran to prove their innocence
c. All corrupted politicians will do likewise to prove their innocence.
d. All adultress will do the same.
e. Murders will be freed if they dare swear on the Koran in the BIgger mosque.

Park Lah

Dear CheeMengWong,

These morons in UMNO/BN may well be very capable of it.
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written by trublumalaysian, August 19, 2008 00:18:53
Whoopsie, last note to the above ....
UMNO/BN would be very capable of doing it; if it benefits them, not the rakyat.
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written by englandmaripunya, August 19, 2008 01:15:29
Can we get Najis to swear on the Quran that he never met Altantuya?
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written by fromamovingtrain, August 19, 2008 01:16:13
This saiful swears on the quran in a mosque, and then adjourned to the dynasty hotel to hold a press conference.

If all muslims here don't see it, something is definitely wrong.
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written by ROBERTNGTG, August 19, 2008 08:41:19
Mahathir dares Anwar to swear

DEAR TUN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE URGE U TO MAKE PEACE WITH DSAI AND GIVE
HIM DUE SUPPORT. WE ALL BECOME HARD HEadED WITH OLD AGE AND EVEN MY CHILDREN
TELL ME I AM HARD HEadED. IT IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE RAKYAT AND NATION. I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT U HV ALSO DONE MANY GOOD DEEDS FOR THE NATION. DSAI HIMSELF HD SAID HE BORE NO ILL FEELINGS TO HIS ENEMIES. YOU WILL HV OUR FULL SUPPORT.
IN THE PAST, U ACCEPTED KU LI, PAIRIN. SO WHAT IF U CAN ACCEPT DSAI FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION?? THE PM HAS KICKED THE BN MACHINERY IN FULL THROTTLE WITH THIS
SAIFUL SWEARING AND NEXT THE DNA BILL. BUT IF YOU CAN THROW IN THIS "SPANNER" WITH DSAI, IT WILL SURE AS HELL MAKE THE BN MACHINERY "GO-STAN"


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written by hingo, August 19, 2008 09:27:25
Raja,
Here's a poser for you and the legal eagles out there -
1. Since there is a court case pending is not this swearing by Saiful sub judice and in contempt of the court?
2. If so, would not those that encourage, urge, incite other(s) to do so be in contempt also?
3. Can DSAI then not claim a mis-trial because of the swearing before the Quran which sort of puts him in a no-win position?
4. Furthermore does not this action by Mr Saiful put the Common/Criminal Law system in conflict with the Sharia Law system?
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written by Koleta, August 19, 2008 10:01:53
So Bakas, its because Saiful does not have four witnesses, thats the reason why he had to swear in God's name and in such a manner because his conscience with God knows what happened. In fact as I said, DSAI goes scott free even under Islamic law because there are no 4 witnesses - but that does not mean that he did not do it to Saiful. It does not mean that he goes scott free in the hereafter. Get it?
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written by Koleta, August 19, 2008 10:13:29
Yes, in other words I believe in Saiful's innocence and I believe he was telling the truth and that he did not invent those stories, neither was he made to invent them against his employer - the one who interviewed him for the job, the one who took him in to work and the one who dismayed & disillusioned him.
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written by Koleta, August 19, 2008 10:41:42
Nobody asked Saiful to do swear or to lodge a report. He did it on his own accord and free will, because he wants the world to know who his former employer really is - yes the former employer who is supported, adored & sympathised by so many, especially members of his own family, loyal & exemplary spouse included.
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written by Koleta, August 19, 2008 10:57:23
Reminds me of those Catholic priests the world over (especially in the west), who sexually abuse those young boys. In the end their conscience made many of them plead guilty & many of those boys who are now adults have been compensated by the church. I would expect a fiery Muslim orator & champion of Islamic causes to do even more, if God is his witness. smilies/grin.gif
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Koleta, what you are doing is called SPAMMING and spamming can get you banned. No need to post so many comments one after another. MALAYSIA TODAY
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written by Koleta, August 19, 2008 11:10:51
My apologies. Didn't mean to spam. Sorry.

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written by bluesky, August 19, 2008 14:43:21
saiful is a homosexual...he is been ****ed by Mahatir , najib and all UMNO goons...who have gay tendencies....hahaha
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written by bluesky, August 19, 2008 14:44:30
mahatir and najib bagerooo babi...
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written by bakas, August 19, 2008 18:52:14
Koleta,

Do you mind answering a few of my questions?

One, if you truthfully want to bring someone guilty to justice, would you do it in the public? Wouldn’t justice take its due course in a court of law? Would you sensationalize your own ordeal in front of the public, and choose the timing so close to an election time, as it is in the case of Saiful? (Very minor coincidence, isn’t it?). Have you heard any rape victims of the VIPs and VVIPs in our country managed to call a press conference and meet the Deputy Prime Minister to bring their grievances?

Number two, if Anwar swears by the Quran tomorrow, would you also believe in him being innocent? If not, why not? Is it just because he is a politician, and politicians are known to be able to lie without blinking an eye? Or is it because of his ‘history’ of being convicted in 1998? Would you also extend the same verdict of not guilty for Anwar on the basis that he also has an alibi, 4 persons who can testify for him, and this in fact, is more in accordance with the Islamic laws for a person to prove his innocence?

Three, if they have a clear cut case, why wait so long to arrest Anwar? I thought once you have a clear cut case, there is no reason why you can’t detain the offender immediately? Is it because they don’t have anything yet? Anwar’s semen, hair or DNA should on Saiful after the assault / rape / consensual sex, right? His anus must have some scientific proof of being violated, that a doctor with 20 year experience surely cannot miss, right? The police should be able to give Anwar his copy of the police report lodged against him, no? And why does it seem that the police can’t make up their mind on what to charge him with? Is it because Saiful, in his right conscience cannot decide which one is more appropriate? Hey, a rape is still a rape, right? If he consents to it, he is also equally guilty. Why should only Anwar bear the blame? Flog them both, put them into jail because when a boat sinks, the rower and the passenger are also wet together, aren’t they? If Saiful regretted what he did, why not we extend the same opportunity to DSAI for the ‘offence’ that they did together. Aiseh! Takkan after ‘syok-syok’ together, you want to say only one party is to blame? If he is guilty, let him also receive his due punishment. You can’t say I want to choose whether I want to punish or not. Guilty is guilty, right?

Honestly, I don’t know if Anwar is guilty or not, as I was not there when it happened. But do you? Does anyone? If I tell you some beautiful fairy came and pay me a visit, and we had splendid love-making sessions for 7 days and 7 nights, and I am prepared to swear on the Quran just to show you how serious I am, would you believe me?

If justice still exist in this world, it will reveal itself in due time. And woe it will be to those who committed evil using God’s name. Theirs is a place in eternal fires of hell, where no amount of swearing on the Quran can save you.

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written by u chen, August 19, 2008 20:37:41
what a circus! totally embarassing. one ezpose' after another since the last election. bet that renowned producer finds it most challenging this time around to drum up that 'patriotic feeling' in us with her usually crafty merdeka day tv commercials
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written by Yikes, August 20, 2008 09:45:12
I would like to apologize firstly and foremost before saying this, but i am afraid we are hoping way too much on God to settle this.

God will this, God will that, watch out watch out.

Where was God when Altantuya got blown up?
Where was God when Anwar landed in jail first time round?
infact, where is God now?

All these UMNO m****ers are living a good life, despite all their screw ups.
Big cars, Mansions, young wives?

I can't put it into words how much i would like to see Najib behind bars.
I want Rosmah to go back to her profession as a dancer.
I want Mahathir be declared bankrupt.

I want the exact same thing all well wishing Malaysian wants.

But i won't count on God.
Sorry to say, the bad is getting worst and the good is suffering more than ever.

Saiful is gonna enjoy his millions. His family too.
He will be UMNO's blue eyed boy.

I want the same as every good wishing Malaysian.
But it annoys the **** outta me when i open the papers and read
all the statement by Mahathir, by Najib, by the bloody Botak.

We all know they are wrong. They know we know.
So exactly what are we playing at here?
And where is God please?

Thank you, and if you wish to rebute this , please do it the civilised way.
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written by Shaham, August 20, 2008 22:13:17
Dear Bakas,

I agree with your reply to koleta. She is full of one sided shit...
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written by benjamin, August 20, 2008 23:53:50
Saifool, the biggest HYPOCRITE IN THE WORLD smilies/grin.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/cry.gif smilies/tongue.gif
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written by megabigblur, August 21, 2008 04:39:56
Former PKR Youth chief Mohamed Ezam Mohd Nor said it was not easy for Saiful to do what he did. “If I were Anwar, the next thing I’ll do is to go to the mosque and prove my innocence. The legal way is not enough.”


That is seriously bloody insulting to non-Muslims since it implies that a person's testimony is only good if he or she swears on the Quran.

It's also insulting to the entire secular legal system. "The legal way is not good enough"? OK, how about illegal ways then?
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written by Panca Indera, August 21, 2008 09:20:32
RPK,
I respect your Malaysian political writings and analysis as there are more truth in them than the local mainstream medias. .
However your Islamic history writing were not of the same quality as your sources is limited and biased to one side only.

I don’t believe in hair splitting or harping over minor details or little differences, but in order to be objective and critical you could have could do a comprehensive research from All different sources before making a statement or conclusion. Otherwise your religious statement or views are no different what UMNO or BN who wants to imposed theirs.

For example: according to the Aisah’s story you related, you said, “Safwan rescued Aisha and took her on his horse to chase after the caravan.” Maybe to most people whether it was a camel or horse that transported Aisha was immaterial as long as she was Transported.
>>: The lie that was uttered (Sirat p. 493, Tabari VIII p. 57),
link; http://realmuhammad.info/ScandalAboutAisha.html
However small or little a discrepancy is, it is still a discrepancy and discrepancy creates doubt on the authenticity of the source. That’s how mischiefs are spread as well, i.e. by inserting small un-noticeable that later became a bone of contention

>>Prophet’s youngest and favorite wife who is also the daughter of his most faithful comrade, Abu Bakar, who went on to become the First Caliph of Islam after Prophet.

Refer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
“He was fond of sweets and stayed overlong with Umm Salama Hind bint Abi Umayya; at least in the opinion of Aisha and her co-wife Hafsa bint Umar. Aisha and Hafsa conspired. Each of them was to tell Muhammad that the honey had given him bad breath. When he heard this from two wives….”

Common sense will tell that this was not an action of a favorite wife(schemed with Habsah because of jealousy). What about the story that the Prophet himself warned Aisha that the time will come when the dogs will bark at her at a certain place ( Hawab)after he has pass away if she did not follow the command about staying at home ((Quran 33:33).
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written by Panca Indera, August 21, 2008 09:21:13
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Nor was Abu Bakr his most faithful comrade having ran away during the battle of Uhud.
Reference: http://www.nationmaster.com/en...cal_record
'Whenever I looked to the right or left I saw her fighting in front of me'."http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/seerah/0029.htm

Note: try watching this lecture’http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HiMgW9yd7w’ see what you think!

Depending on which sources and their leaning (sunni vs shiahs), Abu Bakr was not really the best choice since he was inclined to cowardice, short tempered, and not intellectual as Ali. But then in real life the most honest, trustworthy and intelligent does not necessarily guarantee the top management post. It’s the One who canvas most and play politics that gets the post.

>>Most Malays believe that ‘Syeds’ are descendants of the Prophet and, therefore, would be the most qualified to talk about Islam.
Its not just Malays but most Muslims agreed on the former but not necessary on the latter.
According to Wikipedia: “Sayyid (سيد) (plural Saadah) is an honorific title that is given to males accepted as descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad through his grandsons, Hasan ibn Ali and Husayn ibn Ali, who were the sons of his daughter Fatima Zahra and son-in-law Ali ibn Abi Talib. Both Shiites and Sunnis that claim descent from Muhammad, do so through at least one of the Shiite Imams.
Remember, It was Sayyid Ayatollah Khomeini that lead the Iranian revolution. It is the Islamic Republic of Iran based on the Imamate and the teaching of the Ahlbayt that is leading the fight against KUFUR lead by USA. While no Sunni lead Government is brave enough to stand up to Americas military might.
The difference between people who professed to be Muslims and people, who behave and act as Muslims, is huge. You cannot equate one with the other.
>>> “Have I not always said that the Muslims are Islam’s greatest enemy? You still want to dispute this or can I now rest my case?”

Muslims are never Islam’s greatest enemy. Only Hypocrites, unbelievers, disbelievers and ignorance/arrogance are!
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written by emg385, August 21, 2008 09:37:11
Saya Shame-FOOL Bin Buggery bersumpah bahawa AMENO adalah Pengkhianat Besar Bangsa,Agama dan Negara Dahulu, Kini Dan Selamanya. Juga saya bersumpah bahawa AMENO adalah Peliwat/Perogol Bersiri Tanpa Malu terhadap Rakyat Malaysia selama 51 tahun selepas Merdeka!!!Ini semua berlaku tanpa kerelaan rakyat Malaysia!!
Saya memohon Allah melaknati pemimpin-pemimpin AMENO dan semua keturunan mereka sehingga Hari Kiamat!!!
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written by VIPER, August 21, 2008 11:02:37
wow this is good. now we don't need lawyers anymore. just bring the quran or whatever religious book of faith in court and ask the accused to swear. And if they do, they go scot free.... Imagine the number of cases that can be dealt with in a day. God didn't punish everyone immediately, some are left to commit more sins but they will be dealt with after kiamat. Read the quran..... So if nothing happens to Saiful doesn't mean he's innocent.
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written by Mirage, August 21, 2008 14:15:18
Aren't we suppose to move towards a secular nation? When has it been that swearing to be use to prove innocense? If its good to be use by VIPs and its use for common citizen, convicts, murderers, rapist, ....everyone will be innocent.

Hence the saying "Innocent until proven guilty" would eventually be change to "Innocent until Swearing". I believe by any terms or religion, this will be a joke and not be accepted. So what happen if 2 person swears by their religions. Again this may not be the same religion esp in Malaysia. Another exception there again. And what happens if both even if same religion swears by it. How do you judge the 2 then??? This will make a mockery of religions and should not be allowed.

Pls keep the religions out of context otherwise the rule of law in Malaysia will never work.
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written by kclim2, August 21, 2008 16:32:25
Looks like this Sin-Fool guy will be struck by lightning as a punishment by God for swearing in His place! He will definetly die a slow death and his future generations will suffer too!
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written by Panca Indera, August 22, 2008 09:36:26
Dear RPK,
Salam and best wishes.
Referance to your statements;
1.It seems, in those days, only the Prophet’s wives wore the tudung to distinguish them from the other women.2.
2.Apparently, the tudung was ‘decreed’ for only the Prophet’s wives and not for all women.

Thank you for bring-up the subject about the “Tudung” as may people do not really understand the purpose and concept of covering up as ordered by Allah in the Quran.

The wearing of “tudung” or head scarf as well as “hijab” or loose covering or dress over the required body parts is not a new thing introduced by the Prophet. All Abrahamic religions (since from the same source) require the women within a certain age group ( sexually mature until past the menopause stage {sexually unattractive).

Even before Islam, the believing Christians and Jewesses and other cultures showed women dressed respectfully as not to show their bare bodies to non muhreem. So the “Decree” was not only for the Prophet’s wives and has nothing to do with distinguishing the wives from other women. It “was”, and “is” an Islamic requirement.
For further understanding and reference, please go to this link: http://www.al-islam.org/wii-persp-edt2/11.htm
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written by DontPlayGod, August 22, 2008 09:55:33
All religious rituals are man-made. Some rituals are made by the priests for their own selfish reasons.

So people, wake up and grow up. Stop saying this ritual is required under your religion or for some other reason. I can't imagine God creating rituals on how to worship him. Is God that vain? Please don't insult Him!!
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written by yellowkingdom, August 23, 2008 00:15:49
I am disgusted with what I saw in the news , DPM Najib swearing in Guar PErahu mosque after donating RM1.4 million to 8 mosques.
Will we see a new ritual for those, who supposedly speak the truth?
Pak Lah , are you next? What about Tun Mahathir? Let every one from IGP, AG flock to the nearest mosque and swear in Allah's name.
If only I had a pea-brain....
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written by Panca Indera, August 23, 2008 10:53:59
Don’t Play God,
>>All religious rituals are man-made.

Your statement above have denied the very existence of God. How?

Meaning of ritual and religion
Noun1.ritual - any customary observance or practice
2.ritual - the prescribed procedure for conducting religious ceremonies

re•li•gion n.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Lets hypothesize:
1.If there is NO human being on this planet, There would be no religion, EVER, because religion exist because of man, Right?
2.Since religion is set of beliefs in values system prescribed for man, man himself must have invented religion. Why?
3.Have any of us seen the so-called God? Those who believed do so because their minds were or are convinced by other men through books and lectures.
4.If the other men ( so called prophets, priests, Sages) did not speak about religion there will be no religion.
5.Based on your statement and the above logic, people created religion, and just like your other statement people created rituals, i.e. religious rituals. Therefore men created religious rituals.

It can be derived from the above logic and your statement then ,that since man create religions and religious rituals, that God is created in and by the mind of men.

Therefore using your logic:
Muhammad invented Islam
Jesus invented Christianity
Moses invented Judaism
Siddhartha invented Buddhism
Somebody invented Zorastrian

According to your statement then ALL religions is nonsense and God does not exist.

>>>“ I can't imagine God creating rituals on how to worship him. Is God that vain? Please don't insult Him!!

How can you believed in a God, which exits only in your mind and based on information from other people. Those people make the stories up according to you.i.e. Religious rituals are man-made.

How can you said things about a non existing Entity(oxymoronic) which you subscribed your beliefs to.

IS it possible to believe in something that you denied ever exists?
Remember religion and ritual goes hand in hand. i.e No religion without rituals.

However not ALL rituals comes from religion.

Do you still subscribe to you statement that,”ALL RELIGIOUS RITUALS ARE MAN-MadE’?

If you do then believing in a God who is man-made and existed because of their own selfish reasons
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written by pakasia, August 23, 2008 17:48:50
Clearly shows the Umnon leaders are displaying immature leadership by using religion as means of showing their innocence. Why not clear their names by initiating Royal Commission?

Who dare to do business with UMNO people??????

You UMNO people put us Malay into shame!!!!

Also, true Islamic people would have self respect and fellow Malaysian with different religious background!
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written by Anak Desa, August 24, 2008 19:15:52
TDM , it is funny of you to challenge DSAI to swear when you,yourself is not clean ,trustworthy and religious neither. I always remember you as a politician first,a doctor - second, a family man - thirs and a religous person as fourth,
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written by Koleta, August 26, 2008 12:05:22
whatever other ppl say I believe Saiful was telling the truth and he was swearing with a clear conscience.
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written by Cyber DNA, August 27, 2008 23:50:52
SAIFUL WISHED GOOD LUCK TO DSAI DURING THE PP ELECTIONS AFTER MAKING THE SUMPAH-SAMPAH!.

WHY LE................"BEST OF LUCK"........after lying in God's name???

I don't know la, I am not a muslim (BUT AM WELL REad ON THE RELIGION).........for me the whole episode in PP with numerous swearing s.....and the rest that happened there and throughout Malaysia! it does not look good on Islam in Malaysia!

IS THERE A NEW SECT OF ISLAM ALREadY FORMED WITHOUT THE WORLD KNOWING ABOUT IT...........UMNO ISLAM?

SHARIZAT CALLED FOR A JIHad?

ONLY THE JIHad HERE IS TO PROTECT THEIR ARSES AND THE MONEY THEY SIPHONED FROM THE RAKYAT!.....while they completely RUINED MALAYSIA!

GOD IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE PICTURE COMPLETELY!

UMNO ISLAM>>>>>>MY FOOT!

ISLAM IS GREAT>>>>>ISLAM IS A VERY PRACTICAL RELIGION>>>>>>>>DON'T LET UMNO RUIN THE RELIGION AS WELL......THEY HAVE ALREadY DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE NATION AND ITS ECONOMY

GOD BLESS US ALL
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