got the bernama sms last night but could not find the link about the najib and the oath thing.

http://thedandelions.wordpress...liticians/

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OH MY God............ ( That is the maximum I can Say )

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'I swear RPK have no ass hole to be sodomise.Sorry Pete!

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Unbelivable. I don't know what to say!!. Gee...what happen to Malaysia Leaders. Tidak Tahu Malu. My Gosh , My Gosh....

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What the... Man, classic P Ramlee movie material!

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Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.
I am not surprised as I have heard some UMNO leaders go to sakai and Thai bomohs to win elections. But then even going to Malay bomoh's is said to be syirik, isn't it?
Najib should also swear that he had nothing to do with that actress in Port Dickson.

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Mongolian beauty murder & the trial that never seem to end, BN losing 4 more States to Opposition, SODOMY charges, Sedition charges, Statutory Declarations all over the place, Disappearance of those making Statutory Declarations, ACA arrest, swearing upon the Koran here and there, threats of "Motion of no confidence" against PM, protest of a mere 10% quota in UiTM to minority Malaysians, Fuel prices going up sharply and then coming down a mere trickle,
And now secret Hindu religion practice by the Muslim DPM !

Who says Malaysia is boring and not exciting???

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OK I guess now he has to swear on the Koran AGAIN that he is not a Hindu by Practice!

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master ji? never heard of this guy. anyway whats the big deal here? i am not Hindu but sometime when i believe i am under a spell or charm or something evil i go see the spirit man be he Hindu priest or Muslim bomoh or Taoist medium. i will see anyone if it helps me get rid of any perceived spells or charms. does this means i am practicing the religion of these priest,bomoh or medium?

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hahaha murtad lu najib!

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Oh Dear,Shit he*** are ruinning the country and now going for election as well.

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Whether it's your God or my God, HE is definitely very busy lately with a bunch of Malaysian politicians turning to him as witness and some blaming him. Samy started the trend.

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written by Hello Keithy, August 23, 2008 | 10:29:18
Whether it's your God or my God, HE is definitely very busy lately with a bunch of Malaysian politicians turning to him as witness and some blaming him. Samy started the trend.

aiiyo susah like this. what happened if the accuser muslim swears on his koran and the accused christian swears on his bible. nanti mana satu tuhan pula yang betul?

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"Oh my God!!" Again? There seems to be no ends to SDs and every SD reveals the fact that truth can never be hiddened for long" I was puzzled why the DPM's wife has to put a charm to prevent PM and his beloved from getting married. Marriage is personal, and God Willing. It is always and has always the blessings from Allah. And every man deserves to have a good wife. I do hope that the PM and his lovely wife read this SD and takes all precaution to protect themselves from the evil whisperings.

Aodzu billahi minash syatan nirajim...
May Allah protect all of us from the attack of the black and evil forces which were called upon by man and women of evil heart to do sinister acts for their own selfish aims.

Allahu Akhbar

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Najib!!
If this is true, I sure you will be damn in the deepest hell, NERAKA JAHANAM!! wat malu pak hang ngan pakcik hang dan semua keturunan hg yg dulu elok2!! aku marah sungguh ngan hang ni!!
kalu jumpa kat aku, aku terajang!! aku tak kira masuk lokap ka, janji tersiar satu dunia aku dah terajang hang!!

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And here’s what the Star reported:
“He (Syed Abdul Rahman Alhabshi) said he had personally gone to Mongolia and visited Altantuya’s family and friends but could not find any evidence linking Najib or his wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor to the crime.

Bernama quoted him as saying: “Datuk Seri Najib’s swearing is true and it is accepted that he has no connection with Altantuya.. Not one document, photograph or video involved Najib.”

Wow-so clever! Looks like the case has been single handedly solved by the Mongolian honorary consul-general to Malaysia!

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Dear YM RPK,

BOY! That was super swift and exacting too. As the plot gets thicker and thicker, we are also aware of the dangers that lie ahead.

You have to be always several steps ahead of those dunggus. Since strategies and tactical matters are second nature to you, we are not too worried. However, Bro', be extremely shrewd and aloof in these trying of times.

Having said that, we do not call you Raja Komando aka Commander-in-Chief for syiok syiok only, do we?

Bravo, YM RPK, blast them to smithereens.

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This is explosive...nost leaders are hypocrites...some want to live like kings..http://1426.blogspot.com/2008/...oyals.html

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just when najib thought it was checkmate ... i hope the pakatan rakyat people will print this out and politicize this at permatang pauh.. those kampung people trust swearing alot.

/breakfast with a smile!

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Well, it's time for those who were at the Bar Council forum storm Najib's house to condemn him for anti-Islam. This worst then just talking about Islam at the Bar Council forum, men. Why the silence?

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Dare you are Najis. No wonder you brave to swear. Words is nothing. Orang kafir memang tak takut bersumpah menggunakan agama orang lain. Kalu dah murtad, bersumpah ke, sembahyang ke, bersumpah dengan nama Allah ke? Takde hal punye.

Kita tak hairan Saiful pun dah murtad sama sebelum bersumpah. Masjid bagi mereka macam stesen bas sahaja.

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Its just another SD... Master Ji... LMFAO!

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Hi! Remember Mona Fendy and that 18 pieces assemblyman? So, if Najib brings in Mr Ji it's no surprise. Many UMNO wakil rakyats believe in good luck charms and bomohs.

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I just didnt know what to say?????

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The rituals performed by Master Ji are to cleanse Najib and Rosmah of spells and charms placed by others. Amavasya is a time of the month to thanksgiving-worship of the ancestors, as well as a time for occult practices. It is conducted monthly because Najib probably believes he is being charmed repeatedly, under constant attack, hence the need to cleanse every month.

The placing of ritual items near the polling centre is to create evil winds that may cause confusion among the people and temporary blackouts. It is meant to make friends suddenly and temporarily become enemies.

Evidently Najib believes his enemies have placed malay charms on him. A symbolic bath in milk is one of the cleansing practices. Najib is a believer in malay black magic, and Hindu cures.

Many malay politicians and businessmen are closet Hindus.

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Patutlah ramai orang cakap, bukan saya cakap
Datin Seri Rosmah Mansur guna BOMOH bagi ketat dia punya dot dot dot..!!!

http://www.kerajaanrakyat.com/

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I'm sure Badawi and Jeane have their own Hindu occultists and bomohs, to counter thwart!

Occultist mayhem in Umno!!

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That same day, Thagarajoo a/l Thangavellu also swore, through a Statutory Declaration, that Najib and his wife, who may be born Muslims, are practicing Hindus. Would, therefore, Najib’s oath, performed the so-called ‘proper’ Islamic way, be valid after all?

AIYOYO. RPK, AT THIS RATE HOW MANY MORE MIAS LAH. KENNETH, JI, HABIS LAH.

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..............and the stakes gets higher.

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So tell me, so how much faith do these people who believe in black magic and charms have on their professed religion? Swear on the Koran? No problem for Umno politicians and Umno instigated Muslims even if they are lying through their teeth. Rafidah did it too to say she was not involved in AP corruption. Do you believe her?

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I'm sure Mona Affendy would be pissed ....

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Looks like all the thousand of cases not being able to reach the courts can be send to the mosque and let it be sworn on.We can save the rakyats million and within one day. We can let all of them swear at the same time solving them within the minute.(All will swear not guilty, of course!! & C4 can lead them in a mass swearing). Also, the immigration can swear that, the mongolians was never in Malaysia, and Bala never existed. Since we are at it, we can also swear that that laywers and the judicial clowns are just actors and not needed.
Maybe C4 is swearing, bcos the judicial is a comedy in the making, all part of the comedy play.When you have the 2nd highest in Malsysia swearing, he is directly say we can now get rid of the judicial system as we have GOD!!!

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my concerns : RPK, please take care of your safety. corner someone to a corner with no means to escape he will become desperate. The empire going to strike back soon and i guess, everyone better prepare for it . They cant afford losing the power.

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God help us, when our current leaders are using Black Magic to gain advantage over god-fearing people....

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Najib...ooo Najib. You have been a bad boy... (With due respect to the hindu friends) No wonder you said that it's between you and God last night. Now you've got to swear (or take an oath - whichever you want to call it) that you have no knowledge of this Mr. Ji charachter and so on, so forth.

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It has been confirmed that Najib swearing in the mosque last night was done after he was certain that there was no incriminating evidence against him on the Altantuya murder. He found out after the police raid of RPKs residence yesterday morning . But RPK is not stupid!

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So, Najis, don't just mumble jumble Wallahi, Wabillahi, Watallahi lar.

Why don't you go do a legally binding SD?

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I hereby swear upon the HOLY BHAGAWAT GEETA;.,.THAT NAJIB KNOWS ALTTANTUYA SHAARIIBU.,..AUM ,AUM,AUM,.,now how is that for double japody.,.my swearing is stronger then your,because hinduism allows swearing,and true to it you get fuc*ed on earth,now for false swearing,.,who is bothered about your afterlife.,.And najib,you will be reborn as per hinduism a dog in your next birth for your false swaering,maybe a pariah bitch stray dog

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Kenneth Eswaran, this is the pariah driver of the Mun Loong boss'wife.He was pumping her,and when the bossman ran off to Europe during a financial crisis,Keneth conviently married the bossman'wife and thus became the owner of Mun Loong.Now this bomoh thing,make one to wander if there was any blackmagic used to seduce the bossman's wife,as anyone who takes one look at Kenneth,will dispise him as he looks like a short,fat,frog,with no knowledge of his surrounding,.,So you guys out there, don't invite his frog to your homes,for you risk loosing your wife and daughters.,.

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Kepada Rakyat Malaysia dan pembaca malaysia-today, sila baca dan hafalkan perkara-perkara di bawah!!!


Hak Istimewa Melayu UMNO(UMNOPutra ) yang Tidak Boleh dipersoalkan

1.Melayu UMNO adalah Kebal/IMUN kepada semua Undang-undang Negara Malaysia seperti Perlembagaan, Akta Hasutan, Kanun Jenayah dsb


a)Oleh itu, Melayu UMNO berhak mengeluarkan kata-kata menghina seperti “Natang” kepada Baginda Sultan tanpa apa-apa tindakan Undang-undang, memanggil kaum orang bukan Melayu “babi”,”pariah ” dsb, menghunus Keris/Parang dan meminta darah Bukan Melayu ditumpahkan , mempersoalkan kewarganegaraan Rakyat Malaysia yang tidak mahu tunduk Kepada UMNO tanpa sebarang Tindakan Undang-undang

b)Melayu Umno berhak untuk mengambil Rasuah tanpa Malu,(Istilah UMNO ialah komisyen, kickback, servis caj, dll), mengamalkan politik wang yang diberi nama baru “rasuah politik” yang berleluasa masa pilihanraya Parti, Mendirikan Istana Megah dalam Kawasan Penempatan Orang Miskin, Mendirikan Kabin-kabin UMNO sebagai Kubu-kubu politiknya atas padang permainan kanak-kanak . Ini semua adalah hak mutlak Melayu UMNO!!

c)Melayu UMNO berhak melarikan anak Sultan ke tanah seberang untuk dikahwin secara senyap-senyap. Lepas itu Melayu UMNO berkenaan berhak berbohong kepada Sultan mengenai tindakan biadap itu dan bersumpah atas nama Allah mengenai tindakan biadap itu.

d ) Melayu UMNO berhak merogol gadis bawah umur, berhak meraba
buntut pekerja-pekerja GRO wanita dsb , berhak memanggil
wanita ‘bocor ‘ setiap bulan. Hak Melayu UMNO ini juga
tidak boleh dipersoalkan

e ) Melayu UMNO juga berhak menghabiskan wang rakyat untuk
menikmati Rumah serba mewah,kenderaan mewah seperti
Mercedes, jet-jet peribadi mewah,percutian berbayar dan bershopping di luar negeri. Tetapi Rakyat disuruh “Ubah gaya hidup”, Berjimat-cermat, guna kenderan awam dan bercuti di dalam negeri.

f) Melayu UMNO juga berhak membunuh sesiapa yang berani
mempersoalkan mereka dengan bom C4, peluru pistol atau
dengan pisau/parang biasa. Melayu UMNO juga berhak
menganjurkan pembunuhan beramai- ramai bila diperlukan seperti
Insiden 13 Mei, Kampung Memali, Kg Medan dsb

g) Melayu UMNO juga berhak keluar-masuk Malaysia sambil
berbekalkan wang Rakyat sebanyak berjuta-juta atau berbilion-
bilion ringgit untuk bercutimembeli hartanah mewah,melabur,
bershopping dsb.

h) Melayu UMNO juga berhak mempolitikkan segala-galanya seperti
agama, sekolah,Bangsa, bahasa , tempat beribadat, kubur dsb.
Melayu UMNO juga berhak menghakcipta nama Allah untuk
kegunaan sendiri.

Tetapi bukan Umnoputera diberitahu cara-cara mengamalkan ugama
mereka dan tidak dibenarkan bincangkan politik busuk Malaysia dalam
majalah agama mereka kerana takut kaum bukan Umnoputera
menjadi terlalu bijak dan mula mengenali rupa sebenar iblis Melayu
UMNO.

Kitab-kitab agama bukan UMNOputera boleh
dikebas sewenang-wenangnya kerana tidak disenangi oleh Melayu
Umnoputera kerana takut nanti Melayu Umno akan mula
bertaubat dan semakin menjauhi amalan-amalan munafik Umnoputera.

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It is indeed an irony in Malaysia that all liers are taking oaths and the honest one refrains from doing so! Simply because liers are desperate to prove their innocence. Najib did not realise the extent of the peoples believe in his involvement in Altantuya's murder, until he comes to Permatang Pauh. He directed the police to raid RPK's house to check for other incriminating evidence on Altantuya's case. It is only after that he made the swearing in the mosque.

Wallahi, Wabillahi, Watallahi

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.............UMeNOputras, everyone to the battle stations? he, he, he! Korek, korek, korek. kapal UMeNO dah bocor, dah bocor, yeh yeh!

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i'm rendered speechless or wordless - how revolting can a politician get ?

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Some Sabah (Muslim)leaders went as far as China to get their 'feng shui' read and to set them right.

JAIS, JHEAIPahang, Mahkamah Syariah, etc should start investigating this SD. We cannot have a Pagan as our Prime Minister.

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Now I understand why Mohamed Iskandar Kutty (a.k.a. Mahathir) always wanted Najis to become PM. They have a common religion. Not the one that they pretend to show the public just to get votes. I mean the one they really practice. I hope that from henceforth, the Malays in this country can C4 themselves how their leaders have been fooling them all along just to rape us of our nations' billions. UMNOPUTRAS never think of any race but themselves.

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Perhaps a few Malays at least have seen the light to revert to their ancestoral religious practices of their forefathers. After all, Malaysia has always been a melting pot of various cultures being a multi-racial and multi-religious country. There is plenty of room to learn from each other.

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Najib did not realise the extent of the peoples believe in his involvement in Altantuya's murder, until he comes to Permatang Pauh. He directed the police to raid RPK's house to check for other incriminating evidence on Altantuya's case. It is only after that he made the swearing in the mosque.

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Now what you want to believe SD or swearing?

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I strongly believed Rosmah is full of 'susuk'.

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Najib born Muslim but practising Hinduism. He is a Pagan.

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So it is now proven that samis were behind NajisC4 to project him far....

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Sometimes we wonder what is happening in this part of the world. Here we have high level ministers swearing and yet doing something else at the back. In factin my personal opinion, if someone who has not wrong will not be thrown with all the accusations . There must be something wrong!!!!!
Example we have bloggers giving statutory declarations and yet they are being treated like criminals of crime.Let us have some form of sanity for Heavans sake!
Malaysia is a joke now in the eyes of the world.

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watch Thagarajoo do a Houdini .... soon like PI Bala and that poor Burmese Doc coz they ain't protected species like saya-fool .... BN terms them under dangerous and to be put away

cheers

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Who next?
Probably whole Umnoputeras should swear by the Quran for they did not buy votes.
Probably SIL swear that he is not corrupt thru using Badawi.
Probably Pee M should swear too for not bullsh1t us.

As power and money is now in your hands, enjoy your heaven and lavish lifestyle now, wait til your last 10 years before you die and leave this heavenly earth, and then may all your decendents go to hell continue to suffer for your wrong doing by swearing in the name of GOD unless you are innocent. God will make the judgement. DO NOT TRY TO PLAY WITH ALMIGHTHY GOD! Be it Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddish or whatever. I believe in one GOD.

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Rose Mah must have used black magic to charm her husband. She is a witch and a syatan in disguise. Very dangerous "woo-man". Mixing religion is like mixing drugs.

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He practiced something which is against Islamic teaching and yet still dare to swear in the name of Allah.

Laknat lah kau dan keturunan kau wahai Najib dan Rosmah muka ketat.

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You mean Najib will dress up something like this:

Aya Ji, ada nombor kasi ka? Tonite Sports toto MEGA jackpot sudah reaches RM 15 million.

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Wah lau eh, Wah lau eh, wah lau eh!!

I swear that I will be careful about employing 'Drivers' in future. They are very2 privy to many confidential things.

Moral of the story? Don't trust drivers to keep secrets..Princess Diana too found out too late..

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The act of defiance of god to whom one is a believer continue shout above one's throat how religious one is.

Yet they hide behind in his religion and is a cheapest way, a low-lying scum to cheat and mock in the name of belief. In reality this whole bunch follow the fake path. That's why religion and politics must not mix, they will twist and turn until all other minds are twisted, this is how umno have successfully demonstrated for the last 51 years.

Religion and state must be kept separated to keep a clear administration which disallow and discourage religious and political abuse. There seems no end to religious swearing and the rule law is of no use and value to this country.

The existence of SDs that are not "investigated" are serious problems and grave failure of the current gomen to restore the judicial system in the country.

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Pete as much as I critisize wrong doing,whosoever it maybe, nevertheless i don't condone 'fitnah'(I hope this is not), otherwise this will be 'fitnah' of the worst kind. Calling a muslim kufr, murtad, najis etc when he is not is worst than killing him. I have great respect for you and am a die-hard DSAI supporter. You better be right on this one.

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Ah whats the big deal guys? Najib and Rosmah could be just tracing their roots to the Palembang prince of Melaka.Its interesting to know since Mr Ji could not prevent PM's lovey dovey marriage to Jeane why should Rose wants to trust him still?
Since Ji is from Kerala would the trail lead us to Najib's fatherlike mentor?

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The cartoonization of Malaysian politics. Where Datuk Lat, he should put out his next series of Lat cartoons -- he will have very full contents and material to work on.

I like that part of Mr LauFoo Ji reassuring Rosmah that he will say prayers to prevent AAB from marrying Jeanne. Haha, looks like LauFoo Ji was not as powerful as he was made out to be. So, the two 'believers' got to be worried if LauFoo Ji's spells do not work on the Altantuya C4 case.

Interesting weekend reading.

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Black magic is widely practiced by many people, and for all kind of purposes, including "asking" to become the PM.

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I believe the driver's SD because Najib's behaviour of framing up charges against Anwar to attain power, and the desire to kill someone to evade murder charges, and the desire for wealth, fame and power are symptomatic of individuals who believe in Black-Magic and such Hindu prayers! If the driver is telling you lies, then he can concoct more believable stories, and not this one. Let us also understand one thing clearly, most drivers to VIPs are privy to many happenings as most evil transactions are committed in the travelling vehicles that are chauffeured by them.

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No wonder Rosmah look like ELEPHANT.

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This Mr. Ji must be the reincarnated ghost of the Kerala Tun Mamak's ancestor for forsaking his descedant's root. All mamaks, payback time is here!

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Statutory Declaration (SD) vs swearing before God or on the Quran, or both, Islam Hadhari style

http://thedandelions.wordpress...ari-style/

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Clearly, the value of a person's swearing on his religion is directly related to his personal relationship with his religion. As such, swearing on the holy book has no value as a means of proving innocence as nobody knows what is your personal relationship with your religion.

Those who are deeply religious will not want to invoke the name of their God especially when such swearing is not an established practice in their religion. But those whose faith is weak will swear left and right to convince others.

As for those who invoke rituals and charms based on another religion, it goes without saying that their faith in their own religion is weak.

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Kau Sai... what is happening to this stupid DPM? Swearing again?? Nothing better to do for the country?? Raayat are crying because the nation has gone bongus, and here this idiot DPM is swearin away in Permatang Pauh. ada betul kah bodoh!!

Sor God sake, wake up and manage the nation like Singapore's leaders. Not behaving like sakai and idiot. What the hack!!

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these rituals and prayers ONLY ward off evils!

but, unfortunately for najib and rosmah, these rituals and prayers wont ward off GOODNESS

nice timing for this SD to come out

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David Copperfield is not the most powerful psychic. A Chinese Buddhist from Taiwan has the power to do more unimaginable feats, and he is now a US permanent citizen.
The level of power depends on how "PURE" your heart and mind is. Those who use it for evil purposes, like Na Shit and Rose Mah, will end up being the victim of their own doing.

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To Gorshan, as a muslim, one is prohibited from doing any practise that puts one's hope in anything other than Allah (or praying for protection against evil to other god/thing).

Any practise, be it through a Malay bomoh or otherwise, even a belief that a thing can be used as a charm is prohibited in islam. We call that shirk and if one's heart believes in such thing - that makes a person as mushrik - a person who believes in more than one god.

In Islam one can only claim as a muslim if he believes in only one God (Allah) - a mushrik is not a muslim.

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I want to make a statustory declaration that Shafee sodomise Saiful.

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JAWI and JAKIM must investigate this...

at the same time this SD must be translated and use as a counter propaganda leaflets in pematang pauh... especially to those who attended the swearing by Najib ...

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No wonder he wanted to give the Indians in Permatang Pauh licence to collect scrap metal. His advisor is a Mr Ji from Kerala!! Anyway the part about Najis and Rosmah not wanting Bodowi to remarry is true. Bodowi got married because Fat Ros was getting all the publicity and the marriage is not because of love but politics. Jeanne is very nice and likeable lady, though.

Mr Ji must be really milking the Najis and Rosmah cow. Well, at least Najis can head to Mr Ji's ashram in Kerala to meditate on his misdeeds once DSAI is in power.

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11. On numerous occassions, Datin Seri Rosmah would ask Datuk Kenneth Eswaran for help from Mr. Ji to do prayers to ward off evil.

I'm confused....why is Rosmah trying to ward off herself?

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"Wallahi, Wabillahi, Watallahi (With Allah as my witness) I swear I do not know or have any connection with the Mongolian woman,"

Why was Altantuya's name not mentioned? This proves that he had met her. He simply sweared that he never met the Mongolian woman. This is a false promise as it was meant to fool people.

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There are two types of evil, one from outside, and the one from within our own sub-conscious mind. A medium can help to ward off the own from outside, but NOT your conscience. That explains why some become mentally unstable, like Rose Mah. The curse by a "living-dead"(Altantuya)will destroy her. She is now on borrowed time, and waiting to be struck by lightning.

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Hmmm, politicians (corrupt ones it seems) and the super-naturals. They went hand-in-hand. Remember the YB in Pahang, the one who got cut up into 18 pieces? All because he believes in the super-naturals.

Science Fiction!

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Hmm.. no wonder this character is so willing to swear in the Almighty's name.
He's actually a believer of another Ultimate being.
So I supposed he believes he can affording to lie in the Almighty's name since he's a non-believer

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Best Sound Proofing for cars. Shield you completely from your driver. Available in tinted or see thru. Free intercom between rear seat and driver. Availble from authorised dealers only.

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Is there such thing as you swear today and if its lie you die tomorrow. So fear what, swear as much as you want .

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Swear, Swear, Swear
http://malaysiancartoons.blogs...-pics.html

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Wah! After RPK, statutory declaration is now a fade! Man!

Not surprising that politicians are hypocrites. Remember Datuk Mazlan and Mona? There are others too. Err.... Najib and Rosmah? I would wait and see....if it is true.....hehehe...

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Rosmah you ugly fat fart. I hope Jeanne blows up your fat arse to hell. Aum.

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Shameless piece of Najis !!!

Hell awaits you and your cronies for what goes around comes around !

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No wonder there are so many monkeys in UMNO defending for Najib who must have prated very hard to 'HANUMAN' ( the Monkey God ) who protects all monkeys, big or small..

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Nero287,

Is that mean Naji(b)s will lead a monk’s simple life in Kerala once he’s ousted from power in few weeks to come???

We’ll see that and other hippos living in exile…

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Hello Najeep,try chant this mantra,"Om Ah Hung,Vajra guru padme siddhi Humg"

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Ini hairan apa? Ini sihir putih dari agama Hindu bukan dosa! Hang tanya dgn Tan Sri Pehin Mahmud Taib, dia punya penjaga lebih banyak! Hang hairan apa, orang-orang Politic Melayu semua ada ini benda! Hang mungkin tidak tahu, Tunku Abdul Rahman sendiri Satan Church's member.

Kecoh! orang2 Malaya yang kerja sebagai pejabat tinggi di Sabah semua simpan dan pelihara ini barang (Ilmu Pelindung badan dan keluarga). Apalagi orang-orang Politik terkenal di Malaysia, tentu punya mah....ini benda mana boleh lepas dari badan mereka mah!

Ini barang sudah kemestian dan keharusan umumnya orang Melayu di tanah Melayu. Jangan kecohlah, ini barang memang ada bagus punya kalau lu jenis percaya punya!

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Ha Ha Ha Very funny. Next year on thaipusam day najib and rosmah are going to take kavadi at batu caves if BN win in Permatang Pauh.

Zym Zym,
That was superb.

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Maybe all leaders should swear and do SD that they are not corrupted, never taken kickbacks, never took advantage of anything or anyone and never abused their position.

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Pak Lah should know about this! His annointed successor practising a Hindu practice while professing to be a Muslim. Is this the Islam hadhari Pak Lah is propagating? Does his brand of Islam condone the shaming of fellow Muslims, like in the case of Sodomy II levelled against DSAI? Is Islam Hadhari so evil that it advocates the blatant character assassination of a fellow Muslim who happens to have a different political ideology than yours? Answe me Oh Wise One (Pak Lah), who is touted as an ulamak, or grandson of an ulamak? Isn't correct that you Pak Lah studied Islamic studies while at the University in Pantai Valley in the early sixties? What did you learn at varsity? Did the professor there teach you how to 'kill' off an opponent the way you are doing now? Accusing DSAI of sodomy? How dirty can you get. It is damn dirty Pak Lah, what you are doing now. It is a disgrace to the Malay race and to the Muslim religion embranced by the Malays. Do we take it that the Malay leadership now is so bankcrupt of ideas of how to carry forward this nation to greater heights. If you do not have ideas, let others who have to lead this country. The Malays including myself are so damn fed-up and disgusted to the core by the doings of UMNO and BN. May you all fall and be wiped out altogether from the political scene.

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Next thing you know, Mr. T will disappear (sigh). Hope he's prepared for this.

I am not a Christian but is willing to swear on the Bible. Can also swear on the Quran if pressured and if my life is in danger. Even can swear on the Kamasutra that I never made love before.

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For those who might have doubt on what RPK has published here, please remember the case of Mona Fendi & 1 UMNO adun. Nothing is impossible in Malaysia for these kind of people. They are more than willing to do anything to cling on to their power even if it means turning over to the devil for help..

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zym zym tat wuz cool man .... nice shot wuz it taken in batu caves or pontian?

cheers

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I'm not surprised at all with these allegations, in fact in Malaysia many, especially those who are in power or rich practice some kind of black magic that includes those who claim to be devout Muslims too. Being born in one religion does not make that person automatically a follower of that religion.

So Pete when are we going to hear about the extra curricular sexual activities of this couple in question? Please publish them too as those stories would fill volumes.

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OMG wonderful bolehland. TDM an Indian background trying to be a Muslim. Najib a Malay background trying to be a Hindu. 2 x 5 = 5 x 2 same same or shame shame GILA GILA UMNO. Both are greedy for power and will tipu the Malay.
TSK, Pairin and the rest join the fund of the super race rojak leaders.

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syqbas..politik malaysia dah menjadi semakin menarik mengalah filem hindustan...mula-mula najib ada hubungan dengan budak mongolia yang dibunuh...sekarang dia tu...murtad pulak...siap dengan gambar..apapunya cerita tolonglah jangan buat statement sesuka mulut//// cari budak dah dari mana buat kenyataan bersumpah...kemudian tarik balik dan menghilang..ia lebih kurang spt kes liwat anwar...cerita lama hero baru sukar nak percaya///so tolonglah berpolitik dgn lebih bermaruah...jgn buat tuduhan yang budak kecik pun tak percaya.... dah tak ada modal lah ker...

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looks like najib leaves no stone unturned, cow milk bath, swearing on the koran - hindu, muslim covered. but more to go?

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One of RPK's article pointed out that a vast majority of the mamak residing in Malaysia are trying to look and act more Islamic than the Malays.

Now we have Mr.C4 who's a Malay, trying to be more mamak than the Mamaks. Maybe he thinks being an indian muslim would make him smarter. It would be great to break the 22years record held by his former boss, TDM. Afterall, he still holds the notion that he is the true PM-in-waiting.

By the way, if one is an accessory to a heinous crime, he has already violated God. In HIS eyes, you are destined for hell. Since you're suppose to go to the fiery pits in your afterlife, does it make any difference to swear your innocence by invoking HIS name? You are actually mocking God, ya?

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hmmmmmm...guys not to say anything but if u wanna make comments, pls do not show your disregard to other religion. Others might take it differently. what bullshit is this la? Looks like i have to kill Najib and then swear on Bhagvad Gita..that i didn't even know that he's dead. Then i won't be charged in court. RPK, i think u oso shud start swearing on the Quran, to escape charges. We no need court anymores. All swear on their religious scrptures or books is gd enough.

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Astaghfirullahhal'azim..i really dont know what to say..
no wonder rosmah got the guts to watch altantuya's been blasted to pieces!!!!!
Na'uzubillah.

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OH MY DEAR GOD!!!!!

To all those people playing with the MANTRAS for whatever reasons, please bear in mind, MANTRAS ARE FROM THE VEDAS, the very words of GOD!!!! MANTRAS ARE VERY POWERFUL. The Vedas say " THE NAME AND THE NAMED ARE BUT ONE!!!"

Anybody who has an iota of knowledge about Hindusim, would know that MANTRAS, chanted accordingly, will bestow upon a person what he/she has asked for, be it good or evil, given that the MANTRAS ARE EXTREMELY POWERFUL!!!

BUT, BUT...THE VEDAS ALSO DECLARE THAT MANTRAS, MANIPULATED FOR ONE'S OWN SELFISH GAINS, in other words, "adHARMIC PURPOSE(S)", WILL PUNISH THE MAN ACCORDINGLY!!!

So My Dear Learned Deputy Prime Minister, you have just book yourself a place in NARAKAM (NERAKA) AND THE LAW OF KARMA WILL TAKE ITS DUE COURSE!!! BE PREPARED!!! MASTER JI, YOU TOO AND ALL OTHER EVIL LEadERS OF THIS LAND, WAIT FOR YOUR TURNS!!!!

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Read what Temenggong wrote. Well put. Najib believes in Malay black magic and Hindu cures.They're not Hindus but don't mind its cures. Called playing safe. Even royals have their mystic baths thats deep in hindu history. All SD is true I believe!

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Seems the rumor is becoming reality. My friend told me he saw some monk performing rituals inside Najis house after the Miss A was killed by C4.

A coffee shop feng shui master once said, looking at Najis facial reading he won't have long life. His eyes are half stalled and most likely he will be cursed to death. May be Miss A will pay him a real visit soon.

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Now as the plot thickens...news may come from Kerala reporting the "explosive"
funeral of Mr.JI/Jee. I hope his faith in black arts would protect him from the
equally corrupt politicians of India.

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I think otherwise.
I think najis and rosmah are doing such in the spirit of muhibah!
This is a multi religion country and..and the religion of Hindu is more than triple the age of Islam. Thus it have more "power" lah.
This also means that born muslim does not mean that the person will be a sincere muslim or as a muslim that will follows islamic principles strictly.
Najis have to be sincere lah, and clear up the mess. Is he a Hindu or a muslim or follows something else by now? Don't hide using quran lah.
najis suka bullshit sangat.
However, this is only religion, people must be free to follow whatever religion he or she likes.
But on the other hand we have mais/kais/jais/jawi/jakun/mawi/mawas...where are they hiding now? as with this SD ...najis and rosmah pisses on your religion lah. So far no action ah?..because he is a dpm? umno?
Pergi skodeng pandai , raiding pub dan disco pandai , tangkap bapok pandai ,buat sodo-mee swearing pandai.
macam mana mahu "settle" ni?

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Muslim by birth, Hindu by practice


C4 for Hobby and crook by profession

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Najib kena balas cash on delivery. Laknat sumpah memakan diri sendiri. Dia ingat Allah pun dia nak tipu. Kalau seorang yang tak bersalah tak perlu bersumpah dia berani mempertahankan hak dia. Cuma yang bersalah sahaja yang bermati-matian menegakkan benang basah. Dah banyak bukti, contohnya : Rahim Noor- mati-mati mengaku tak tumbuk, kena Royal Commission sisat tak dpt lari-malu seumur hidup.

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WHAT"WHAT"WHAT......DO we want a person who engages a HINDU BOMOH to our PM??? Will the BOMOH able to ensure prosperity and peace for Malaysia at all times? MAYBE by using the Hindu BOMOH can gives us prosperity and peace and all we got to do is sit back and relax and all the wealth will comes to us automatically..if that is the case, I would definitely want C4 to our PM.

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I think Najis and Rosmah never really practice any religion, they are free spirit the only think matters to them and they believe in it..... is.......here comes the Money....money....money..after jadi PMlah

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whatever the BN cronies swear on whatever what they use, who will believe them?
sheer absurdity. what they think, they sumpah and then we will just believe them? sorry lah BN. piss3d off.

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Bravo....Simple analogy...If you are dirty..you are worried and get other GOD to protect you....Ha..Ha..Frankly, this is like a soap opera of the highest level!!
RPK..I won't question your source but if they were to play poker and SHOW HAND...they will loose till their last pubic hair!!! What away to tango...

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saya skrg duduk terperanjat......ini bulan hantu kalau Tian Chua dapat jemput penceramah terkenal dari Mongolia Ms Altantuya berceramah di PP pasti najib duduk terperanjat macam saya..najib sumpah tak kenal altantuya tapi si altantuya pulah sumah ...." sampai mati gua kenal sama lu najib ....saya tunggu abang ya...jangan lambat bang....." mungkin si altantuya dtg bawak bodyguard yg baru dilantik...En Balasundram....kepada pengundi di PP UNDILAH UTK DSAI WALAU MACAM MANA AZAB SEKALI PUN....doa kita rakyat seluruh negara utk mu...kepada bakal pengundi hantu....ambil duit tapi pangkah DSAI ok....kalau u pangkah BN ...dosa akan menimpa kamu sehingga 7 keturunan mu.....

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Everything is decided and arranged by Rose Mah. Na-shit has no say whatsoever, because he is under a powerful spell which Rose Mah had implanted into his soul before they got married.

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Nothing to be surprised about. for a long time i know for a fact that most muslim were an Hindu at heart. Even the kaaba is a hindu temple, see here:
http://islamidiot.wordpress.co...u-temple/

..AND Allah is an inferior hindu Moon God or demi-god below.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

Those who don't have courage to face the truth, enter at your own risk.

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http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/

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C'mon RPK, dont make a big deal out of it....you gotta respect other peoples religion.....you dont need to stoop so low like this. If Najib wants to worship the Kaabah, or bathe in milk.......why make a big deal out of it.

Anyway, if any of you ignorant pricks who swollowed RPK's bait without first smelling the shit, you might want check out Najib's profile in facebook:

quote]http://www.facebook.com/

..search for Najib - Demolition expert.

And dont forget everyone; Mahathir is the root of all this shit that is happening. Never forget that.


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What's wrong if he is hindu?

I don't see anything wrong if Najib want to become a Hindu, and what is the big fuss about this?

If deep down inside he is a Hindu and circumstance does not allow him to practice it openly, then something is really wrong with our freedom of religious belief. Right?

http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/

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Shiokguy, i think ur missing the point. Its not about religion they perform. Its about them abusingthe religion to protect their interest.

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The man, who “in 1987, as UMNO Youth Chief, defended special Malay privileges in a speech where he vowed to bathe the keris (Malay dagger) with Chinese blood is secretly a practising Hindu!!!!!!!!

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Latest news, I just watched TV3 news... Tajol Rosli of Perak is asking the Perak Datuk Nizar Jamaluddin to swear, if possible together, SUMPAH LAKNAT!!!

Aiyoo...yoooo...what is happening in this country????/

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TaoBum,

Please be careful with your words!!! The fundamental of our struggle is a Just Malaysia for All!!!

You have no right to criticise Islam based on your finite intellect!!! No one in fact can talk about another religion. Keep your believe to your self or otherwise expect the others to criticize your own religion in the same manner. I am a staunch Hindu, but still know how to respect all the religions! Please dont embarress the Hindus.

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Can somebody Zero down this impudent guy ? He sung a very "Kurang Ajar" song on PKR & DSAI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujavC8jLfuE

Track that idiot UMNO bangsat nasional dog out ! Teach him a great lesson !

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Inilah melayu bodoh, takkisah la bomoh hindu ke melayu ke siam ke, kalau dah pakai bomoh mmg typical melayu bangsat, sanggup menjatuhkan orang lain dgn bantuan bomoh.

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Anwar’s family will redeem their proper place in Malaysian history. The family has weathered turbulent times over the past 10 years! All their sufferings will be washed away to the distant sea from the soil of Permatang Pauh come midnight 26th.August 2008. All the tears and sorrows of friends and family members all these years will come to an end. Our heartfelt thanks go to Wan Azizah and her children for sharing Anwar with the people of Malaysia.

A New Malaysian chapter will soon begin, prefaced with the first word “MERDEKA”

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I am very leberial man, if wants to have hindu prayers its upto him, he wants to swear its upto him. Why the hell is he forcing others to follow him. If he wants to go to hell its upto him, why should we follow him. We made him a MP and we can remove him also, he has got to be humble to the people , not the people being humble to him. I just don't understand why is that we are so humble to someone we elect? They have got to be humble and be listerning to us.We give you the seat so we can take it away from you. MP's are not Sultans.

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NAJIB = Najib Altantuya Jilat Itu Buntut
Najib itu soh hai! Sumpah lalat. Sudah cium orang punya buntut mau sumpah
juga. Mana sumpah rasmi dan tak rasmi punya. Memang najis punya orang.
Podah!

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Badawi: "Najib. The 2010 Succession Plan is OFF!"

Najib: "But Boss, I thought we had a deal."

Badawi: "So did I. But I came home this evening and I saw Jeanne logging on to Malaysia Today. The next thing I knew, before I could even chew my first mouthful of rice, Jeanne came running in with these exact words, 'The 2010 Plan is OFF!. So, it is OFF!

Najib: "But Boss..."

Badawi: "Don't you ever mention that word to me!"

Najib: "What word?"

Badawi: "Butt!"

Badawi slammed down the phone.

Najib on the phone with Kenneth.

Najib: "Kenny, Ji please."

Kenneth: "I'm sorry, you got the wrong number. Kenny G does not live here, Bye!"

Najib, with slamming down the phone: "ROSMAHHHHHHH!!!"

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peacemonger,

hahh...haaahhh...haaahhh.... a good one!!!!

I wish it comes true!!!

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oh gosh, enough with the swearing!BOSAN LAH!!!

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He will become a staunch Buddhist after he migrates to Mongolia.

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YB NASIB ARE YOU GOING TO SWEAR AGAIN! I WONDER IS THERE IS A SMOKING GUN...........

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Bawa sial dan malu kepada PM2 lah ...
Nampak macam boleh ... Dengar macam boleh ... tetapi Tak Boleh lar ....

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A Swami Ji from Kerala???Must be related to the Mother of all Mtamaks...

Dear malaysians do you seee the connection???

so now we are going to have Najib swear on the idol Shiva, Murugan or Kali to say he is not involved in anything at all..DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL ..INNOCENT INNOCENT INNOCENT...

maybe he hAs to break 10000 cococonuts to win the election too????

Where is Sam Valu???? mic Makan India Cukup???

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Another fake!
http://malaysiancartoons.blogs...-fake.html

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WOW, you have a bomoh all the way from India to chant mantra and do some rituals for you and Rosi. If it is true, then your sumpah at PP is null and void!
JAWI must investigate this ASAP; lest I consider this Naji and Rosi have converted to Hindus unofficially! Their new name should be Nayee and Rossa_poo. By the way, you and your family must be careful; since you have involve yourselve with withcraft (expect to hear some eerie laughter and mourning sounds in the [/b]middle of the night!); it will bounce back with vengenace! I think this MasterJi from Kerala practice Tantric which also involves human sacrifice! If we hear that JAIS and JAWI or any religious body conducting spiritual cleaning for you and your residence after this episode; then it confirms the above story! If they find some bones in your garden grounds then you are a dead duckie!

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This column by far transceed all frontiers of decent decorum .Very petty and trivial.I am a staunch supporter of MT but this leaves a bad taste in our mouth. Just by taking part in rituals of getting rid of bad karma is not a serious religious offence.Indians seeks help of Malay Bomohs for their problems and Malays seek help from Indians like getting the neem leaves from trees grown inside Hindu Temples for the small pox/chicken pox. So that doesnt means the Muslim Malays or Indians practising "ajaran sesat" as religion is different to physical issues.Some of the comments using "AUM" is not relevant to use in this column by people who dont even understand what is mantras and how,when to say or use them.
Comments from Bumiputeri's comments are partial correct but in this Dunia Kalimat ( Dunia Kaliyuga ), swearings on everything is common but what the swearers dont realise that the payback time is within the person's lifetime in this world as the UNSEEN God uses high tech computer is hand the punishments.

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O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done. Quran 49:6


we have to look carefully if the person who bring a story is an evil-doer. imagine how carefull we should be if that person is a disbeliever.

p.s people who believe are not necessary people with arabic name .

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Now all we need is a SD from Mr. Ji and real Merdeka is just around the corner... If you ask me I would rather have a BABI cabinet than a BODOH cabinet.

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Another classic revelation by YM RPK. You are constantly in my prayers. Take care, sir...

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This is just too much!! I am laughing so hard that I have tears rolling down my face and a painful stitch in my side. Oh, my, gawd!!

I had predicted to my family that after the brutal results of the last GE, politics would get unbelievably exciting (and gory too). I have not been proven wrong. If anything, the coming election in PP has given rise to a tidal wave of gruesome goings on.

I bet you, the makers of such tv dramas like Bold and Beautiful, and the historic "Dallas", would make mega bucks if they just made a maxi-series based on the roller-coaster shenanigans of Malaysia's politics and politicians. Goes without saying that no Malaysian movie or tv producer would dare attempt such a scandalously juicy project.

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Hmm, without evidence I don't see this thing going any further. Najib and Kenneth, as usual are going to deny this and Tagarajoo, we hope you don't go missing like P.I Bala.

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"Muslim by birth".... well, what else could it be? Najib, like all other muslims had NO choice in the matter when they were born muslims.

I believe in freedom of religion. Najib has the choice to become a Hindu if he chooses to. But of course the Muslim fundamentalists (fanatics) will disagree and say he should be put to the sword!

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Najib,

Islam is a good religion, but are U religious.

Hindu is a good religion, but the rituals means nothing if U are bad.

Change Man - Don'r smear your Good Father's Name - Probably his body is rolling in his grave.

Thank U

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I have heard before that our 'good ole' Dato Sri Samy Veloo used to visit India frequently to perform such rituals in order to 'Charge Up'. It was supposed to make him powerful. But you guys forgot the power of the good Rakyat and GOD!

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Dear Tao Bum, religon is like many branches of the same tree (GOD), there is only one god and he has got quite a number of names..Allah, Krishna, Vishnu..

The problem in the world is that the vast majority of people are not practicing their choosen religon, just rubber stamp. Please respect other religon and may we learn to live together in harmony. By the way, I am a hindu.

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No wonder he dares to swear on the Koran. He does not believe in it.

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written by Umm adzka, August 23, 2008 | 13:29:08
To Gorshan, as a muslim, one is prohibited from doing any practise that puts one's hope in anything other than Allah (or praying for protection against evil to other god/thing).

Any practise, be it through a Malay bomoh or otherwise, even a belief that a thing can be used as a charm is prohibited in islam. We call that shirk and if one's heart believes in such thing - that makes a person as mushrik - a person who believes in more than one god.

In Islam one can only claim as a muslim if he believes in only one God (Allah) - a mushrik is not a muslim.

does this means that all those who participate in a football match be they players or spectator are all syirik if a malay bomoh has been called to perform prayers to chase away rain clouds?

anyway whats you know is what your particular religion taughts you. see things from a bird's eye view and the whole world looks very very different indeed.

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Anak Desa,

IF Najib and Rosmah did indeed engaged the services of a Hindu priest, this column is then relevant. You see, when Najib publicly swore his innocence at a mosque gathering, then he opens the door to comments on his 'other practices'(if they are true).

Najib's swearing is nothing more than a political ploy (in his mind, 'if it works for Saiful...). And if so, his hypocrisy must be exposed.

For your understanding, Islam, unlike other religions (that I'm aware of), forbids Muslims to seek help from no others but Allah. Doing otherwise is 'syirik'. The punishment is HELL, unless the person repents (in time).

Yes, Muslims do go and pick Neem leaves from the temple ground. That's because neem trees are abundantly found there. Not because neem leaves from temple ground are 'more powerful'. And neem leaves (either from the temple ground or otherwise) are documented to have medicinal properties to alleviate the causes and symptons of chickenpox.

This posting is relevant only to the main article, and not to comments made by other posters.

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Does this guy actually know what he has signed. I hope he had a trusted friend to explain to him what he was signing unless of course he was well versed with the queen's english. The whole thing sounds very "dodgy". If this was indeed true then its another nail in DPM's coffin but if it is frabrication then it is a nail in Thangarajoo's coffin.

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ummm...hindu occultistslah dat ji fella...typical umno tactics...ingat tak mona fendey? ..for money n power,quite koman,politicians engage bomohs,pawangs,hindu tokong turun specilaists....

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oh ya..even mahade oso got one bomoh specilats waat...

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not 2 worry on pakatan's side,we have some true ulamas,like ustaz harun din,tok guru nik aziz...

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i suggest pakatan spread dis declaation in areas linked to P44..cakap bomoh india..dont say hindu,becos hindu is the word coined by the british ..the truest dharma for indians is sanatana dharma(eternal laws)..bikin flyers,brochures,posters..sekarang jugak!!

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If a muslim pratices Hinduism, he is syirik he is no longer a muslim.

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written by doggone, August 23, 2008 | 17:24:14 One of RPK's article pointed out that a vast majority of the ***** residing in Malaysia are trying to look and act more Islamic than the Malays.

What makes anyone think no one can be more Islamic than Malays. Islam is not UMNO or PAS property!

Read the real history books if you can..Islam came to Malaya via India. And Kerala Muslims are among the most staunch Muslims.

However Malays in general prefer to be delusional and prefer to "beleiev" that Islam came here directly from Prophet's relatives. No malay was wearing the tudung they wear now before the 1970's. Indian Muslims women have been wearing the Burqa for ages

However much u hate Mahazalim you should not tarnish the image of good Indian Muslims so carelessly. Remember Mahazalim is half Malay. I might as well also let u know that the name Rustam has U.P. Indian roots too. So maybe these negative behaviour is a trait among these half-breeds.

Instead of spewing hate let us send positive energy to voters in Permatang Pauh so that they will be preotected as they make a wise decision to vote DSAI in. Did you know you can send loving energy intentions to water bodies..so how about spend a few minutes doing that please : meditating

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One should not blame him for doing such thing.He have been suffering a lot all this while. He needs it as a control to avoid throwing up everytime he looks at her. Imagine, we curse and swear upon seeing her and yet he have to bear with her every night. May God bless him and may the rituals brings its benefit.

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I believe the majority of muslims/malays have more faith in Djinns and demons
than Allah S.W. Therefore it is no suprise Najis is comfortable with hindu spiritism which has deep cultural influence in Indo-chinese states and the malay
archepelago. The real "powerful" magical potions and mantras comes from India.

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Is this Najib's and Rosmah's witchdoctor?

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written by bumiputeri, August 23, 2008 | 20:30:44
TaoBum,

Please be careful with your words!!! The fundamental of our struggle is a Just Malaysia for All!!!

You have no right to criticise Islam based on your finite intellect!!! No one in fact can talk about another religion. Keep your believe to your self or otherwise expect the others to criticize your own religion in the same manner. I am a staunch Hindu, but still know how to respect all the religions! Please dont embarress the Hindu

Please elaborate which part of it is not agreeable to you. Why don’t you also defend Christianity? Pasok wrote: “Beware, once these homo priests and drunkard bishops start getting into politics there will be hell in Malaysia (http://malaysia-today.net/2008.../11615/84/). Or is it that you’re an Apologist of Islam only. But I thought your Guru Se Jagat, Sivananda thought that all religion is one in the eye of God. Christian bashing is okay but not Islam, is it?

written by bumiputeri, August 23, 2008 | 17:36:57
…So My Dear Learned Deputy Prime Minister, you have just book yourself a place in NARAKAM (NERAKA) AND THE LAW OF KARMA WILL TAKE ITS DUE COURSE!!! BE PREPARED!!! MASTER JI, YOU TOO AND ALL OTHER EVIL LEadERS OF THIS LAND, WAIT FOR YOUR TURNS!!!!

See, Bumiputeri, it’s you with your flaring emotion and sanctimonious sermonizing trying to pontificate your religion in a subtle way. In another thread (http://malaysia-today.net/2008.../11692/84/), you posted hate speech, cursing and swearing people to burn them alive. I thought, your Guru Se Jagat Swami Sivananda, the founder of DLS, in his Upadesamritam thought you people to “Serve, Love, Give, Purify, Meditate, Realize, Be Good, Do Good, Be Kind, Be Compassionate, ..etc”.

written by bumiputeri, August 23, 2008 | 17:36:57
OH MY DEAR GOD!!!!!
The Vedas say " THE NAME AND THE NAMED ARE BUT ONE!!!"

Q:Which stanza in the four Vedas, i.e., the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda, says this. Please be specific. I thought it was from Sivananda Veda, the fifth Veda?

Anybody who has an iota of knowledge about Hindusim, would know that MANTRAS, chanted accordingly, will bestow upon a person what he/she has asked for, be it good or evil, given that the MANTRAS ARE EXTREMELY POWERFUL!!!

Ans: Honestly, I don’t know. But than you’ll say I have zero knowledge in Hinduism. Let the reader’s judge.

..BUT, BUT...THE VEDAS ALSO DECLARE THAT MANTRAS, MANIPULATED FOR ONE'S OWN SELFISH GAINS, in other words, "adHARMIC PURPOSE(S)", WILL PUNISH THE MAN ACCORDINGLY!!!

Q: Enlighten me, which Veda/stanza. I’m curious to learn.
See, at least I offered proof (that may be refuted) to my claim, can you?

Dear Bumiputeri, Please don’t judge the book by the cover. Have you gone through the link I posted? You’re putting the cart before the horse. My intention is to wake-up the Muslim brethren to see that Islam has its roots deep in other religion, i.e., Hindu, Sumerian, Judo-Christianity etc. and as such they should respect other religious belief by not calling non-muslim kafir, najis and go about demolishing their places of worship. The very mouth I am trying to feed, bit me. I am not against Muslim’s but Islam propagating NAZI style Islamic-Supremacy. Muslim’s are my brothers and sisters. I have seen, many postings in MT glorifying the Quran and blaming Muslims for their shortcomings. People say they are not good Muslim and that they should read the Quran (mengaji) and emulate Prophet Muhammad, in order to be good citizens. I beg to differ. This is very dangerous.

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Cont.1...

To understand the mind of a fanatic Muslim, you need to know the Quran. The Quran is divided into two groups of verses, the Meccan verses, which were revealed in Mecca and the Medina verses. To understand Quran, you need to know the principle of abrogation in Quran — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca.
The Mecca verses are very tolerant, i.e.,
109.006
YUSUFALI: To you be your Way, and to me mine.
PICKTHAL: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
SHAKIR: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion

See the Medina version below, which was revealed later and as such supersede the Meccan version.
Terror
3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...



8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their he*** and strike off every fingertip of them.

Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.

Unbelievers
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them
2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression
2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you
3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah
4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”
4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

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8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself
8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

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9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an
9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their he*** will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”
25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.
25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-
37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!
48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.
In the name of Intellectual Freedom of Thought and debate, refute me if you can. This is the real Jihad call for all Muslim’s to defend their religion here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/
I am a non-conformist. I bash anything that go against the human rights chatter. Now you know why they go against all rationality and demolish your places of worship, isn’t? So, you must stop this Islamization of Malaysia at any rate. The only way is to vote for Pakatan Rakyat . BN-PAS combination would have been disastrous, just like adding fuel into fire. Only PKR-PAS-DAP combination, keeping PAS sandwiched in between is a safe bet for a secular Malaysia.
Finally, in the name of freedom of speech, freedom of Intellect and human rights, I humbly request venerable RPK to allow this comment posted in his portal, even an abridged version is okay man. You’re at perfect liberty to edit it to save bandwidth.

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No wonder najib did NOT strongly oppose Hindraf during the turmoil......

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Since saifool swear, so C4 swears, and then RPK gets someone to swear AGAINST C4. So in Thagarajoo sweared, therefore in BN's book, it MUST BE TRUE that Najib practices hinduism?
Way to go RPK!! You truly make a donkey out of their logic of thinking much better than most of us....

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Dear TaoBum,

Bumiputeri DID NOT write that you have ZERO knowledge of Hinduism. What she did write was that you only have FINITE knowledge of the religion.

I have very little knowledge of Hinduism, but I'd hazard a guess, and say, I agree with Bumiputeri.

Now, I do have significantly greater knowledge of Islam (compared to my knowledge of other religions). So I can say this with utmost confidence:

Based on your writing, I will make this pronouncement: You have only MINUTE knowledge of Islam.

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i doubt very much those mantras r frm the vedas...these fellas r occultists..and i some of the earliest muslims that to malaya came frm gujerat..and its the sufi aspect of islam that came to india...

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its true kerala is quite "famous" in this sort of things..of course,all over india u can find occultists of many types..

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taobum antijihadist kot....sudahlah..paling penting sekarang,kasi terajjang sama tu najib.dis p44 by election is anwar vs najib..dat mamak pudukang arif shah is najibs golam

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Commentary on the Rig Veda by Sri Aurobindo

For it is a fact that the tradition of a secret meaning and a mystic wisdom couched in the Riks of the ancient Veda was as old as the Veda itself. The Vedic Rishis believed that their Mantras were inspired from higher hidden planes of consciousness and contained this secret knowledge. The words of the Veda could only be known in their true meaning by one who was himself a seer or mystic; from others the verses withheld their hidden knowledge. In one of Vamadeva's hymns in the fourth Mandala (IV.3.16) the Rishi describes himself as one illumined expressing through his thought and speech words of guidance, "secret words" -- ninya vacamsi -- "seer-wisdoms that utter their inner meaning to the seer" -- kavyani kavaye nivacana. The Rishi Dirghatamas speaks of the Riks, the Mantras of the Veda, as existing "in a supreme ether, imperishable and immutable in which all the gods are seated", and he adds "one who knows not That what shall he do with the Rik?" (I.164.39) He further alludes to four planes from which the speech issues, three of them hidden in the secrecy while the fourth is human, and from there comes the ordinary word; but the word and thought of the Veda belongs to the higher planes (I.164.46). Elsewhere in the Riks the Vedic Word is described (X.71) as that which is supreme and the topmost height of speech, the best and the most faultless. It is something that is hidden in secrecy and from there comes out and is manifested. It has entered into the truth-seers, the Rishis, and it is found by following the track of their speech. But all cannot enter into its secret meaning. Those who do not know the inner sense are as men who seeing see not, hearing hear not, only to one here and there the Word desiring him like a beautifully robed wife to a husband lays open her body. Others unable to drink steadily of the milk of the Word, the Vedic cow, move with it as with one that gives no milk, to him the Word is a tree without flowers or fruits. This is quite clear and precise; it results from it beyond doubt that even then while the Rig-veda was being written the Riks were regarded as having a secret sense which was not open to all. There was an occult and spiritual knowledge in the sacred hymns and by this knowledge alone, it is said, one can know the truth and rise to a higher existence. This belief was not a later tradition but held, probably, by all and evidently by some of the greatest Rishis such as Dirghatamas and Vamadeva.

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The tradition, then, was there and it was prolonged after the Vedic times. Yaska speaks of several schools of interpretation of the Veda. There was a sacrificial or ritualistic interpretation, the historical or rather mythological explanation, an explanation by the grammarians and etymologists, by the logicians, a spiritual interpretation. Yaska himself declares that there is a triple knowledge and therefore a triple meaning of the Vedic hymns, a sacrificial or ritualistic knowledge, a knowledge of the gods and finally a spiritual knowledge; but the last is the true sense and when one gets it the others drop or are cut away. It is this spiritual sense that saves and the rest is outward and subordinate. He says further that "the Rishis saw the truth, the true law of things, directly by an inner vision"; afterwards the knowledge and the inner sense of the Veda were almost lost and the Rishis who still knew had to save it by handing it down through initiation to disciples and at a last stage outward and mental means had to be used for finding the sense such as Nirukta and other Vedangas. But even then, he says, "the true sense of the Veda can be recovered directly by meditation and tapasya", those who can use these means need no outward aids for this knowledge. This also is sufficiently clear and positive.

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His oath is in the present tense... as Altantuya Shaarribuu has been dead for some time its not surprising that he does not know her etc

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NODHAS GAUTAMA


SUKTA 59


A HYMN OF THE UNIVERSAL DIVINE FORCE AND WILL


1. Other flames are only branches of thy stock, O Fire. All the immortals take in thee their rapturous joy. O universal Godhead, thou art the navel-knot of the earths and their inhabitants; all men born thou controllest and supportest like a pillar.


2. The Flame is the head of heaven and the navel of the earth and he is the power that moves at work in the two worlds. O Vaishwanara, the gods brought thee to birth a god to be a light to Aryan man.


3. As the firm rays sit steadfast in the Sun, all treasures have been placed in the universal godhead and flame. King art thou of all the riches that are in the growths of the earth and the hills and the waters and all the riches that are in men.


4. Heaven and Earth grow as if vaster worlds to the Son. He is the priest of our sacrifice and sings our words even as might a man of discerning skill. To Vaishwanara, for this most strong god who brings with him the light of the sun-world, its many mighty waters because his strength is of the truth.


5. O universal godhead, O knower of all things born, thy excess of greatness overflows even the Great Heaven. Thou art the king of the toiling human peoples and by battle madest the supreme good for the gods.


7. This is the universal godhead who by his greatness labours in all the peoples, the lustrous master of sacrifice, the Flame with his hundred treasures. This is he who has the word of the Truth.

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Dear Peacemonger, Thank you for the posting on August 24, 2008 | 08:53:07 to my comment.TQ for your comment. I didnt say that Neem trees grown in temple grounds are more powderful than the ones grown outside.It shows your mindset on how to read and understanding the sentence.
As of the matter that it is forbidden for a muslim to practice rituals, Yes..I agree to your comments but if you look at the history of South East Asia, most of the people are non-believer and Hindus before the coming of Islam through the North Western Indian traders. Even in the installtion of the Sultans,some of the rituals are followed.My thoughts are that you can seek other peoples' help without changing your religion and just by seeking help to overcome the problems facing you,doesnt mean that you are practicising another religion.
Religion is something personal between you and the God "the creator".

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Lets go to Najis house and do some digging. Ops, maybe he already did the digging himself when he found out about this SD. Shoot...

Call in CSI to do some investigation. But hope that maybe his gardener can make the first move to help us Malaysian...

Free Malaysia

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Dear SUV,

Thanks that was good. Keep it up!!!

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hahahahahaha, MALAYSIA BOLEH MALAYSIA BPLEH MALAYSIA BOLEH. JEE BOM BAH, AND PRESTO HERE COMES THE JIN FROM KERELA......... YOUR WISH IS MY COMMEND MASTER NAJIB

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Najib, To complete your "non-racist" ways, engage a Chinese medium next. Use all the divine help that are available. You need it.

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A muslim practices Hinduism, he commited shirik / kufur. He is no longer a muslim. He swears wallahi wabillahi watallahi is useless and plays with the holiness of Islam. May be he believes in syncretism which is rejected by all established religions. Apparantly he wants to satify his own worldly desires, irrespective punishment he will receive in his future life. Personally, I pity this very poor man who goes astray from the Truth Path.

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Anybody got or not this Mr. Ji's talipon number? I need his services very badly. Serious one, lah. Please.

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Dear Pete,

Looks like you are getting to Najib?!%$# He was PISSED during the conference yesterday.....

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Datuk Kenneth Eswaran has a shady background. Coming from Johor, he was known to have played out his former employer to gain his wealth. He was just a driver then.

That aside, he has the biggest bangalow in Country Heights, people says it looks like a theme park at night.

He has a huge 'temple like' thingy in front of his house for his mumbo-jambo, and for sure he practices it!

His link to Najib and Rosmah is news to me, but I am not at all surprised, judging how fast this bugger came up from being just a DRIVER!

Rags to riches - he can beat the other famous guy from Klang with the Istana Zakaria!

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A question that begs to be asked: isn't it a common practice amongst many Malays to accept and follow the rituals and advice of bomohs? Isn’t this a deeply rooted practice and one that many of them, to this day, strongly believe in and even revere?

Would this practice not be seen as un-Islamic? If so, what punishment(s) is handed out by our religious authorities to those who indulge in this deviant practice? And what about the bomohs, are they liable for such punishment too?

One has to ask, because Muslims in Malaysia can be punished for doing things un-Islamic. The recent raid at a pub in a Shah Alam hotel is a glaring example of how the religious “police” take it upon themselves to haul off people and punish them. One wonders what will come next: will they resort to the horrible practice of another country which actually has teams of such “police” patrolling the streets to grab and haul off to jail women whom they deem are not dressed in strict Islamic attire?

Since we live in a climate of growing fear of anything that even remotely appears to be “Un-Islamic”, where exactly are we headed? Will common sense prevail, or will paranoia?

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The trend today seems to be swearing on the Quran and statutatory declarations.
Now it is black magic and the use of supernatural to get ahead. And please do not quote that swearing is a Christian practice as it is the second of the ten commandmenats where it states "Thou shall not take the name of the Lord in vain"
so it is forbidden in Christianity to simply swear. I forbid swearing in my house as well.

If we were to progress like other developed countries to progress on meitocracy and believe in the survival of the fittest, none of all this is necessary. By virtue of hard work one gets rewarded. That is the fairest. Not be rewarded by cables and strings or skin colour. We are passed all that and the way forward is to collectively pull in the same direction for the good of the whole. If we continue to be racial in our outlook and only protect selectively we will never progress. We will be left behind while others like our neighbours are miles ahead.

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The 'Gifted' should Fast and Pray for more revelations.

It is a spiritual warfare.

Seek more Wisdom and manifestations.

Syabas Barisan Rakyat.

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There was no need to know this and there should be no problems. Simply because it is between Najib and God. Every spiritual emotion is between the the individual and God, and God is the same for one and all.

There was really no need for anyone to swear on the Quran, was there.

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there was need to know this,becos we needed to know that dpm's wife is a pontianak in a human body n dumbo red lips is under the influence of all sorts of falsehood

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Sri Aurobindo
The Doctrine of the Mystics

The Veda possesses the high spiritual substance of the Upanish***, but lacks their phraseology; it is an inspired knowledge as yet insufficiently equipped with intellectual and philosophical terms. We find a language of poets and illuminates to whom all experience is real, vivid, sensible, even concrete, not yet of thinkers and systematisers to whom the realities of the mind and soul have become abstractions. Yet a system, a doctrine there is; but its structure is supple, its terms are concrete, the cast of its thought is practical and experimental, but in the accomplished type of an old and sure experience, not of one that is crude and uncertain because yet in the making. Here we have the ancient psychological science and the art of spiritual living of which the Upanish*** are the philosophical outcome and modification and Vedanta, Sankhya and Yoga the late intellectual result and logical dogma. But like all life, like all science that is still vital, it is free from the armoured rigidities of the reasoning intellect; in spite of its established symbols and sacred formulae it is still large, free, flexible, fluid, supple and subtle. It has the movement of life and the large breath of the soul. And while the later Philosophies are books of Knowledge and make liberation the one supreme good, the Veda is a Book of Works and the hope for which it spurns our present bonds and littleness is perfection, self-achievement, immortality.
The doctrine of the Mystics recognises an Unknowable, Timeless and Unnameable behind and above all things and not seizable by the studious pursuit of the mind. Impersonally, it is That, the One Existence; to the pursuit of our personality it reveals itself out of the secrecy of things as the God or Deva, -- nameless though he has many names, immeasurable and beyond description though he holds in himself all description of name and knowledge and all measures of form and substance, force and activity

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The Deva or Godhead is both the original cause and the final result. Divine Existent, builder of the worlds, lord and begetter of all things, Male and Female, Being and Consciousness, Father and Mother of the Worlds and their inhabitants, he is also their Son and ours: for he is the Divine Child born into the Worlds who manifests himself in the growth of the creature. He is Rudra and Vishnu, Prajapati and Hiranyagarbha, Surya, Agni, Indra, Vayu, Soma, Brihaspati, -- Varuna and Mitra and Bhaga and Aryaman, all the gods. He is the wise, mighty and liberating Son born from our works and our sacrifice, the Hero in our warfare and Seer of our knowledge, the White Steed in the front of our days who gallops towards the upper Ocean.

The soul of man soars as the Bird, the Hansa, past the shining firmaments of physical and mental consciousness, climbs as the traveller and fighter beyond earth of body and heaven of mind by the ascending path of the Truth to find this Godhead waiting for us, leaning down to us from the secrecy of the highest supreme where it is seated in the triple divine Principle and the source of the Beatitude. The Deva is indeed, whether attracting and exalted there or here helpful to us in the person of the greater Gods, always the Friend and Lover of man, the pastoral Master of the Herds who gives us the sweet milk and the clarified butter from the udder of the shining Cow of the infinitude. He is the source and outpourer of the ambrosial Wine of divine delight and we drink it drawn from the sevenfold waters of existence or pressed out from the luminous plant on the hill of being and uplifted by its raptures we become immortal.

Such are some of the images of this ancient mystic adoration.

The Godhead has built this universe in a complex system of worlds which we find both within us and without, subjectively cognised and objectively sensed. It is a rising tier of earths and heavens; it is a stream of diverse waters; it is a Light of seven rays, or of eight or nine or ten; it is a Hill of many plateaus. The seers often image it in a series of trios; there are three earths and three heavens. More, there is a triple world below, -- Heaven, Earth and the intervening mid- region; a triple world between, the shining heavens of the Sun; a triple world above, the supreme and rapturous abodes of the Godhead.

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But other principles intervene and make the order of the worlds yet more complex. These principles are psychological; for since all creation is a formation of the Spirit, every external system of worlds must in each of its planes be in material correspondence with some power or rising degree of consciousness of which it is the objective symbol and must house a kindred internal order of things. To understand the Veda we must seize this Vedic parallelism and distinguish the cosmic gradations to which it le***. We rediscover the same system behind the later Puranic symbols and it is thence that we can derive its tabulated series most simply and clearly. For there are seven principles of existence and the seven Puranic worlds correspond to them with sufficient precision, thus:

The 7 Principles of Existence The Corresponding 7 Principle Worlds of Existence
1. Pure Existence -- Sat World of the highest truth of being (Satyaloka)
2. Pure Consciousness -- Chit World of infinite Will or conscious force (Tapoloka)
3. Pure Bliss -- Ananda World of creative delight of existence (Janaloka)
4. Knowledge or Truth -- Vijnana World of the Vastness (Maharloka)
5. Mind World of light (Swar)
6. Life (nervous being) World of various becoming (Bhuvar)
7. Matter The material world (Bhur)

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written by peacemonger, August 24, 2008 | 16:38:49
Dear TaoBum,

Bumiputeri DID NOT write that you have ZERO knowledge of Hinduism. What she did write was that you only have FINITE knowledge of the religion

Dear peacemonger,
Of course Bumiputeri did not write that I have ZERO knowledge of Hinduism. Did I say that? What I said was, allow me to requote:"But than you’ll say I have zero knowledge in Hinduism", in future tense not past tense.See the difference.Anyway, I'm not here to impress anyone about my knowledge of Hinduism.

I have very little knowledge of Hinduism, but I'd hazard a guess, and say, I agree with Bumiputeri

On what?

Based on your writing, I will make this pronouncement: You have only MINUTE knowledge of Islam

okay, since you have scrutinized my writting and concluded that I have only minute knowledge of Islam, why don't you educate me and dispel my ignorance rather than doing a post-mortem on my writing.Anyway, this is not the right platform to discuss something as vast as Islam. Consider that I am a "Quran only Muslim", i.e., I don't rely on hadith, sura, etc in interpreting the Quran, kindly enlighten me which part of my knowledge is shallow? Maybe I can learn something new from you, my friend. Are you willing to take a look at this site
(http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm) before you attempt to educate me.That way, you'll be more prepared to answer the question I will be posting to you.

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Now this system which in the Purana is simple enough, is a good deal more intricate in the Veda. There the three highest worlds are classed together as the triple divine Principle, -- for they dwell always together in a Trinity; infinity is their scope, bliss is their foundation. They are supported by the vast regions of the Truth whence a divine Light radiates out towards our mentality in the three heavenly luminous worlds of Swar, the domain of Indra. Below is ranked the triple system in which we live.

We have the same cosmic gradations as in the Puranas but they are differently grouped, -- seven worlds in principle, five in practice, three in their general groupings:

1. The Supreme Sat-Chit-Ananda The Triple divine worlds
2. The Link-World Super-mind The Truth, Right, Vast, manifested in Swar,
with its three luminous heavens
3. The triple lower world Pure Mind Heaven (Dyaus, the three heavens)
Life-force The Mid-Region (Antariksha)
Matter Earth (the three earths)

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And as each principle can be modified by the subordinate manifestation of the others within it, each world is divisible into several provinces according to different arrangements and self-orderings of its creative light of consciousness. Into this framework, then, we must place all the complexities of the subtle vision and the fertile imagery of the seers down to the hundred cities which are now in the possession of the hostile kings, the Lords of division and evil. But the gods shall break them open and give them for his free possession to the Aryan worshipper!

But where are these worlds and whence are they created? Here we have one of the profoundest ideas of the Vedic sages. Man dwells in the bosom of the Earth-Mother and is aware of this world of mortality only; but there is a superconscient high beyond where the divine worlds are seated in a luminous secrecy; there is a subconscient or inconscient below his surface waking impressions and from that pregnant Night the worlds as he sees them are born. And these other worlds between the luminous upper and the tenebrous lower ocean? They are here. Man draws from the life-world his vital being, from the mind-world his mentality; he is ever in secret communication with them; he can consciously enter into them, be born into them, if he will. Even into the solar worlds of the Truth he can rise, enter the portals of the Superconscient, cross the threshold of the Supreme. The divine doors shall swing open to his increasing soul.

This human ascension is possible because every being really holds in himself all that his outward vision perceives as if external to him. We have subjective faculties hidden in us which correspond to all the tiers and strata of the objective cosmic system and these form for us so many planes of our possible existence. This material life and our narrowly limited consciousness of the physical world are far from being the sole experience permitted to man, -- be he a thousand times the Son of Earth. If maternal Earth bore him and retains him in her arms, yet is Heaven also one of his parents and has a claim on his being. It is open to him to become awake to profounder depths and higher heights within and such awakening is his intended progress. And as he mounts thus to higher and ever higher planes of himself, new worlds open to his life and his vision and become the field of his experience and the home of his spirit. He lives in contact and union with their powers and godhe*** and remoulds himself in their image. Each ascent is thus a new birth of the soul, and the Veda calls the worlds "births" as well as seats and dwelling-places.

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For as the Gods have built the series of the cosmic worlds, even so they labour to build up the same series of ordered states and ascending degrees in man's consciousness from the mortal condition to the crowning immortality. They raise him from the limited material state of being in which our lowest manhood dwells contented and subject to the Lords of Division, give him a life rich and abundant with the many and rapid shocks and impulsions from the dynamic worlds of Life and Desire where the Gods battle with the demons and raise him yet higher from those troubled rapidities and intensities into the steadfast purity and clarity of the high mental existence. For pure thought and feeling are man's sky, his heaven; this whole vitalistic existence of emotion, passions, affections of which desire is the pivot, forms for him a mid-world; body and material living are his earth.

But pure thought and pure psychic state are not the highest height of the human ascension. The home of the Gods is an absolute Truth which lives in solar glories beyond mind. Man ascending thither strives no longer as the thinker but is victoriously the seer; he is no longer this mental creature but a divine being. His will, life, thought, emotion, sense, act are all transformed into values of an all-puissant Truth and remain no longer an embarrassed or a helpless tangle of mixed truth and falsehood. He moves lamely no more in our narrow and grudging limits but ranges in the unobstructed Vast; toils and zigzags no longer amid these crookednesses, but follows a swift and conquering straightness; feeds no longer on broken fragments, but is suckled by the teats of Infinity. Therefore he has to break through and out beyond these firmaments of earth and heaven; conquering firm possession of the solar worlds, entering on to his highest Height he has to learn how to dwell in the triple principle of Immortality.

This contrast of the mortality we are and the immortal condition to which we can aspire is the key of the Vedic thought and practice. Veda is the earliest gospel we have of man's immortality and these ancient stanzas conceal the primitive discipline of its inspired discoverers

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Substance of being, light of consciousness, active force and possessive delight are the constituent principles of existence; but their combination in us may be either limited, divided, hurt, broken and obscure or infinite, enlightened, vast, whole and unhurt. Limited and divided being is ignorance; it is darkness and weakness, it is grief and pain; in the Vast, in the integral, in the infinite we must seek for the desirable riches of substance, light, force and joy. Limitation is mortality; immortality comes to us as an accomplished self-possession in the infinite and the power to live and move in firm vastnesses. Therefore it is in proportion as he widens and on condition that he increases constantly in substance of his being, brightens an ever loftier flame of will and vaster light of knowledge, advances the boundaries of his consciousness, raises the degrees and enlarges the breadth of his power, force and strength, confirms an intenser beatitude of joy and liberates his soul into immeasurable peace that man becomes capable of immortality.

To widen is to acquire new births. The aspiring material creature becomes the straining vital man; he in turn transmutes himself into the subtle mental and psychical being; this subtle thinker grows into the wide, multiple and cosmic man open on all sides of him to all the multitudinous inflowings of the Truth; the cosmic soul rising in attainment strives as the spiritual man for a higher peace, joy and harmony. These are the five Aryan types, each of them a great people occupying its own province or state of the total human nature. But there is also the absolute Aryan who would conquer and pass beyond these states to the transcendental harmony of them all.

It is the supramental Truth that is the instrument of this great inner transfiguration. That replaces mentality by luminous vision and the eye of the gods, mortal life by breath and force of the infinite existence, obscure and death-possessed substance by the free and immortal conscious-being. The progress of man must be therefore, first, his self-expanding into a puissant vitality capable of sustaining all vibrations of action and experience and a clear mental and psychical purity; secondly, an outgrowing of this human light and power and its transmutation into an infinite Truth and an immortal Will.

Our normal life and consciousness are a dark or at best a starlit Night. Dawn comes by the arising of the Sun of that higher Truth and with Dawn there comes the effective sacrifice. By the sacrifice the Dawn itself and the lost Sun are constantly conquered out of the returning Night and the luminous herds rescued from the darkling cave of the Panis; by the sacrifice the rain of the abundance of heaven is poured out for us and the sevenfold waters of the higher existence descend impetuously upon our earth because the coils of the obscuring Python, the all-enfolding and all-withholding Vritra, have been cloven asunder by the God-Mind's flashing lightnings; in the sacrifice the Soma-wine is distilled and uplifts us on the stream of its immortalising ecstasy to the highest heavens.

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Our sacrifice is the offering of all our gains and works to the powers of the higher existence. The whole world is a dumb and helpless sacrifice in which the soul is bound as a victim self-offered to unseen Gods. The liberating Word must be found, the illuminating hymn must be framed in the heart and mind of man and his life must be turned into a conscious and voluntary offering in which the soul is no longer the victim, but the master of the sacrifice. By right sacrifice and by the all-creative and all-expressive Word that shall arise out of his depths as a sublime hymn to the Gods man can achieve all things. He shall conquer his perfection; Nature shall come to him as a willing and longing bride; he shall become her seer and rule her as her King.

By the hymn of prayer and God- attraction, by the hymn of praise and God-affirmation, by the hymn of God- attainment and self-expression man, can house in himself the Gods, build in this gated house of his being the living image of their deity, grow into divine births, form within himself vast and luminous worlds for his soul to inhabit. By the word of the Truth the all-engendering Surya creates; by that rhythm Brahmanaspati evokes the worlds and Twashtri fashions them; finding the all-puissant Word in his intuitive heart, shaping it in his mind the human thinker, the mortal creature can create in himself all the forms, all the states and conditions he desires and, achieving, can conquer for himself all wealth of being, light, strength and enjoyment. He builds up his integral being and aids his gods to destroy the evil armies; the hosts of his spiritual enemies are slain who have divided, torn and afflicted his nature.

The image of this sacrifice is sometimes that of a journey or voyage; for it travels, it ascends; it has a goal -- the vastness, the true existence, the light, the felicity -- and it is called upon to discover and keep the good, the straight and the happy path to the goal, the arduous, yet joyful road of the Truth. It has to climb, led by the flaming strength of the divine Will, from plateau to plateau as of a mountain, it has to cross as in a ship the waters of existence, traverse its rivers, overcome their deep pits and rapid currents; its aim is to arrive at the far-off ocean of light and infinity.

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And this is no easy or peaceful march; it is for long seasons a fierce and relentless battle. Constantly the Aryan man has to labour and to fight and conquer; he must be a tireless toiler and traveller and a stern warrior, he must force open and storm and sack city after city, win kingdom after kingdom, overthrow and tread down ruthlessly enemy after enemy. His whole progress is a warring of Gods and Titans, Gods and Giants, Indra and the Python, Aryan and Dasyu. Aryan adversaries even he has to face in the open field; for old friends and helpers turn into enemies; the kings of Aryan states he would conquer and overpass join themselves to the Dasyus and are leagued against him in supreme battle to prevent his free and utter passing on.

But the Dasyu is the natural enemy. These dividers, plunderers, harmful powers, these Danavas, sons of the Mother of division, are spoken of by the Rishis under many general appellations. There are Rakshasas; there are Eaters and Devourers, Wolves and Tearers; there are hurters and haters; there are dualisers; there are confiners or censurers. But we are given also many specific names. Vritra, the Serpent, is the grand adversary; for he obstructs with his coils of darkness all possibility of divine existence and divine action. And even when Vritra is slain by the light, fiercer enemies arise out of him. Shushna afflicts us with his impure and ineffective force, Namuchi fights man by his weaknesses, and others too assail, each with his proper evil. Then there are Vala and the Panis, miser traffickers in the sense-life, stealers and concealers of the higher Light and its illuminations which they can only darken and misuse, -- an impious host who are jealous of their store and will not offer sacrifice to the Gods. These and other personalities, -- they are much more than personifications, -- of our ignorance, evil, weakness and many limitations make constant war upon man; they encircle him from near or they shoot their arrows at him from afar or even dwell in his gated house in the place of the Gods and with their shapeless stammering mouths and their insufficient breath of force mar his self-expression. They must be expelled, overpowered, slain, thrust down into their nether darkness by the aid of the mighty and helpful deities.

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The Vedic deities are names, powers, personalities of the universal Godhead and they represent each some essential puissance of the Divine Being. They manifest the cosmos and are manifest in it. Children of Light, Sons of the Infinite, they recognise in the soul of man their brother and ally and desire to help and increase him by themselves increasing in him so as to possess his world with their light, strength and beauty. The Gods call man to a divine companionship and alliance; they attract and uplift him to their luminous fraternity, invite his aid and offer theirs against the Sons of Darkness and Division. Man in return calls the Gods to his sacrifice, offers to them his swiftnesses and his strengths, his clarities and his sweetnesses, -- milk and butter of the shining Cow, distilled juices of the Plant of Joy, the Horse of the Sacrifice, the cake and the wine, the grain for the God- Mind's radiant coursers. He receives them into his being and their gifts into his life, increases them by the hymn and the wine and forms perfectly, -- as a smith forges iron, says the Veda, -- their great and luminous godhe***.

All this Vedic imagery is easy to understand when once we have the key, but it must not be mistaken for mere imagery. The Gods are not simply poetical personifications of abstract ideas or of psychological and physical functions of Nature. To the Vedic seers they are living realities; the vicissitudes of the human soul represent a cosmic struggle not merely of principles and tendencies but of the cosmic Powers which support and embody them. These are the Gods and the Demons. On the world- stage and in the individual soul the same real drama with the same personages is enacted.

To what gods shall the sacrifice be offered? Who shall be invoked to manifest and protect in the human being this increasing godhead?

Agni first, for without him the sacrificial flame cannot burn on the altar of the soul. That flame of Agni is the seven-tongued power of the Will, a Force of God instinct with knowledge. This conscious and forceful will is the immortal guest in our mortality, a pure priest and a divine worker, the mediator between earth and heaven. It carries what we offer to the higher Powers and brings back in return their force and light and joy into our humanity.

Indra, the Puissant next, who is the power of pure Existence self-manifested as the Divine Mind. As Agni is one pole of Force instinct with knowledge that sends its current upward from earth to heaven, so Indra is the other pole of Light instinct with force which descends from heaven to earth. He comes down into our world as the Hero with the shining horses and slays darkness and division with his lightnings, pours down the life-giving heavenly waters, finds in the trace of the hound, Intuition, the lost or hidden illuminations, makes the Sun of Truth mount high in the heaven of our mentality.

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Surya, the Sun, is the master of that supreme Truth, -- truth of being, truth of knowledge, truth of process and act and movement and functioning. He is therefore the creator or rather the manifester of all things, -- for creation is outbringing, expression by the Truth and Will, -- and the father, fosterer, enlightener of our souls. The illuminations we seek are the herds of this Sun who comes to us in the track of the divine Dawn and releases and reveals in us night- hidden world after world up to the highest Beatitude.

Of that beatitude Soma is the representative deity. The wine of his ecstasy is concealed in the growths of earth, in the waters of existence; even here in our physical being are his immortalising juices and they have to be pressed out and offered to all the gods; for in that strength these shall increase and conquer.

Each of these primary deities has others associated with him who fulfil functions that arise from his own. For if the truth of Surya is to be established firmly in our mortal nature, there are previous conditions that are indispensable; a vast purity and clear wideness destructive of all sin and crooked falsehood, -- and this is Varuna; a luminous power of love and comprehension leading and forming into harmony all our thoughts, acts and impulses, -- this is Mitra; an immortal puissance of clear- discerning aspiration and endeavour, -- this is Aryaman; a happy spontaneity of the right enjoyment of all things dispelling the evil dream of sin and error and suffering, -- this is Bhaga. These four are powers of the Truth of Surya.

For the whole bliss of Soma to be established perfectly in our nature a happy and enlightened and unmaimed condition of mind, vitality and body are necessary. This condition is given to us by the twin Ashwins; wedded to the daughter of Light, drinkers of honey, bringers of perfect satisfactions, healers of maim and malady they occupy our parts of knowledge and parts of action and prepare our mental, vital and physical being for an easy and victorious ascension.

Indra, the Divine Mind, as the shaper of mental forms has for his assistants, his artisans, the Ribhus, human powers who by the work of sacrifice and their brilliant ascension to the high dwelling-place of the Sun have attained to immortality and help mankind to repeat their achievement. They shape by the mind Indra's horses, the Ashwins' chariot, the weapons of the Gods, all the means of the journey and the battle. But as giver of the Light of truth and as Vritra-slayer Indra is aided by the Maruts, who are powers of will and nervous or vital Force that have attained to the light of thought and the voice of se]f- expression. They are behind all thought and speech as its impellers and they battle towards the Light, Truth and Bliss of the supreme Consciousness.

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There are also female energies; for the Deva is both Male and Female and the gods also are either activising souls or passively executive and methodising energies. aditi, infinite Mother of the gods, comes first; and there are besides five powers of the Truth-Consciousness, -- Mahi or Bharati, the vast Word that brings us all things out of the divine source; Ila, the strong primal word of the Truth who gives us its active vision; Saraswati, its streaming current and the word of its inspiration; Sarama, the Intuition, hound of heaven who descends into the cavern of the subconscient and finds there the concealed illuminations; Dakshina, whose function is to discern rightly, dispose the action and the offering and distribute in the sacrifice to each godhead its portion. Each god, too, has his female energy.

All this action and struggle and ascension is supported by Heaven our Father and Earth our Mother, Parents of the Gods, who sustain respectively the purely mental and psychic and the physical consciousness. Their large and free scope is the condition of our achievement. Vayu, Master of life, links them together by the mid-air, the region of vital force. And there are other deities, -- Parjanya, giver of the rain of heaven; Dadhikravan, the divine war-horse, a power of Agni; the mystic Dragon of the Foundations; Trita Aptya who on the third plane of existence consummates our triple being; and more besides.

The development of all these godhe*** is necessary to our perfection. And that perfection must be attained on all our levels, -- in the wideness of earth, our physical being and consciousness; in the full force of vital speed and action and enjoyment and nervous vibration, typified as the Horse which must be brought forward to upbear our endeavour; in the perfect gladness of the heart of emotion and a brilliant heat and clarity of the mind throughout our intellectual and psychical being; in the coming of the supramental Light, the Dawn and the Sun and the shining Mother of the herds, to transform all our existence; for so comes to us the possession of the Truth, by the Truth the admirable surge of the Bliss, in the Bliss infinite Consciousness of absolute being.

Three great Gods, origin of the Puranic Trinity, largest puissances of the supreme Godhead, make possible this development and upward evolution; they support in its grand lines and fundamental energies all these complexities of the cosmos. Brahmanaspati is the Creator; by the word, by his cry he creates, -- that is to say, he expresses, he brings out all existence and conscious knowledge and movement of life and eventual forms from the darkness of the Inconscient. Rudra, the Violent and Merciful, the Mighty One, presides over the struggle of life to affirm itself; he is the armed, wrathful and beneficent Power of God who lifts forcibly the creation upward, smites all that opposes, scourges all that errs and resists, heals all that is wounded and suffers and complains and submits. Vishnu of the vast pervading motion holds in his triple stride all these worlds; it is he that makes a wide room for the action of Indra in our limited mortality; it is by him and with him that we rise into his highest seats where we find waiting for us the Friend, the Beloved, the Beatific Godhead.

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Our earth shaped out of the dark inconscient ocean of existence lifts its high formations and ascending peaks heavenward; heaven of mind has its own formations, clouds that give out their lightnings and their waters of life; the streams of the clarity and the honey ascend out of the subconscient ocean below and seek the superconscient ocean above; and from above that ocean sends downward its rivers of the light and truth and bliss even into our physical being. Thus in images of physical Nature the Vedic poets sing the hymn of our spiritual ascension.

That ascension has already been effected by the Ancients, the human forefathers, and the spirits of these great Ancestors still assist their offspring; for the new dawns repeat the old and lean forward in light to join the dawns of the future. Kanwa, Kutsa, Atri, Kakshiwan, Gotama, Shunahshepa have become types of certain spiritual victories which tend to be constantly repeated in the experience of humanity. The seven sages, the Angirasas, are waiting still and always, ready to chant the word, to rend the cavern, to find the lost herds, to recover the hidden Sun. Thus the soul is a battlefield full of helpers and hurters, friends and enemies. All this lives, teems, is personal, is conscious, is active. We create for ourselves by the sacrifice and by the word shining seers, heroes to fight for us, children of our works. The Rishis and the Gods find for us our luminous herds; the Ribhus fashion by the mind the chariots of the gods and their horses and their shining weapons. Our life is a horse that neighing and galloping bears us onward and upward; its forces are swift-hooved steeds, the liberated powers of the mind are wide- winging birds; this mental being or this soul is the upsoaring Swan or the Falcon that breaks out from a hundred iron walls and wrests from the jealous guardians of felicity the wine of the Soma. Every shining godward Thought that arises from the secret abysses of the heart is a priest and a creator and chants a divine hymn of luminous realisation and puissant fulfilment. We seek for the shining gold of the Truth; we lust after a heavenly treasure

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The soul of man is a world full of beings, a kingdom in which armies clash to help or hinder a supreme conquest, a house where the gods are our guests and which the demons strive to possess; the fullness of its energies and wideness of its being make a seat of sacrifice spread, arranged and purified for a celestial session.

Such are some of the principal images of the Veda and a very brief and insufficient outline of the teaching of the Forefathers. So understood the Rig-veda ceases to be an obscure, confused and barbarous hymnal; it becomes the high-aspiring Song of Humanity; its chants are episodes of the lyrical epic of the soul in its immortal ascension.

This at least; what more there may be in the Veda of ancient science, lost knowledge, old psycho-physical tradition remains yet to be discovered.

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written by bumiputeri, August 24, 2008 | 21:28:17
Dear SUV,

Thanks that was good. Keep it up!!!

Which part of that was good. Was it this "The Flame is the head of heaven and the navel of the earth and he is the power that moves at work in the two worlds. O Vaishwanara, the gods brought thee to birth a god to be a light to Aryan man"
Appears gibberish to me. Would this verses be of benefit to anyone? Appears to be gloryfing the brahmins (Aryan). Are you one? Other than that, it has no moral or spiritual substance.

Dear SUV, it would have been a more valuable service rendered to humanity on your part if you had quoted some verses from the Bhagavad Gita (or Moksha Gita of Swami Sivananda) or Brahma sutra etc. There are so many beautiful Hindu/vedic treatise.Why quote from one of the oldest books in the world(i.e., Veda) which most of the time are in coded language and not in sequence. Even, experts in ancient sanskrit text are baffled in trying to decode the Rigveda. That is the reason why we have the Brahmasutra's and Upanishad narrations, in the same way muslim's have Hadith to help them interpret the Quran.
Please don't get me wrong. You're all my brothers and sisters. my two cents worth(i.e., not welcomed in this portal I guess as I see people voting me down, without understanding my true intention to create a fair and just society able to practice whichever religion they prefer, without being marginalized and discriminated). I just wanted the Muslim to treat non-muslim as human being (not kafir, najis, etc) by looking back at their past history and realizing our similarities rather than differences.

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Muslim or not, a lie is a lie,

Bhagavad-gita As It Is Chapter 18 Verse 47. ... he should not think that because he is engaged in an occupation in which the telling of lies is compulsory, ...
he should give up his profession.

The gita distiguishes between different categories of lies.

Even athiests have personal values that they hold themselves accountable to.

Vijay Kumar Murugavell

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Oh my ,ohhh my.......
This is getting weirder by the minute.......
Is this true? the allegations seems far fetched, and if indeed it is the truth the implications are beyond what I could imagine!
Now we have more and more questions than answers!!!!!
God, please give us the strength to digest and make sense of it all!
BTW whatever religion they profess, I am against the idea of them using it as a mode to escape or blind people from the truth!
It seems like a trend now!
And it is not something I would like to see being a norm.

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NAJIB AND ROSMAH ARE 'PETRA'FIED' YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

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Obviously this Mr. Ji is not as powerful as he claims to be lah.......our PM's marriage went ahead anyway.......Con-couple got conned?

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He look like me, act like me, but is not me!

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Sure, you'll might accuse me of bashing Islam. If you want me to stop, they should stop calling us najis, kafir, haram etc. They should stop demolishimg our places of worship and give uo their hidden agenda of pushing for an Islamic state thus violating what is enshrined in our constitution, i.e.,secularism. Now, tell me, isn't 98% budget for Islamic development, i.e., 1-2%, for other religion isn't Islamization? What about banning books by SIS and harrasing Herald and the Christians. The word Allah is not the sole monopoly of Muslim's. It was there even before the dawn of Islam. They have an hidden agenda of Islamization of the whole world, same like NAZIsm. My point is that Muslim must cleen their own backyard first rather than trying to interfer in other religious matter. Look at the lies muslim's tell others in order to effect a conversion.Don't be gullible. Wake-up!! or stand the risk of loosing your freedom.Look how backwards Fundamental Islamic countries are where womens right are been abused. See here about the lies: http://www.thereligionofpeace....u-home.htm

No wonder there are more than 300,000 murtad in Malaysia and it's growing.

Indonesia is the biggest islamic country in the world but it doesn't foolow the Syariah law. Only secular. Than why Malaysia. Malaysia is heading dengerously into becoming another Afghanistan, Iran etc. Look at the Indonesia forum, here: http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/

Sure, I bash Islam for a reason. Why not accept me as the last prophet, send by Nabi Muhammad(pbuh) to set things right. Surely, you'll start using your god given brain, discrimination to question my claims. Why don't you do the same with Muhammad and rule out the possibility that he is not a false prophet and a Charlatan. Isn't our sisth sense, i.e., discernment is also from god. Otherwise, what difference is there between us and animals. Think!! Renounce! and be free from the cluthes of Islam.Otherwise "Padan Muka" as Pete aptly puts it.

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Dear Taobum
Sure, I bash Islam for a reason.
"A" reason? come lah! you gave more than one up there.

Why not accept me as the last prophet, send by Nabi Muhammad(pbuh) to set things right.

Oh Prophet "TAOBUM" , how come your name is Tau--Bum?
Is it because you were from somebody's BUM or you TAO(tahu) all the BUMS in this world.

Prophet BUM said,"Surely, you'll start using your god given brain, discrimination to question my claims."

Tell me Oh Prophet BUM, which God are you referring to?

Prophet TAOBUM wise saying."Isn't our sisth sense, i.e., discernment is also from god. "

Dear Prophet TaoBum, I think you have to have a conscience (awareness) first, before being able to discern. Or is discern before conscience?


Prophet TAOBUM orders,"Think!! Renounce! and be free from the clutches of Islam. Otherwise "Padan Muka" as Pete aptly puts it."

Ok Now I understand, Prophet Taobums's God is Pete the "Padan Muka"


Prophet TaoBum said,"why don't you educate me and dispel my ignorance rather than doing a post-mortem on my writing."

Oh Prophet TaoBum, Education is for someone willing to learn, You are not ready yet! willing.

Consider that I am a "Quran only Muslim", i.e., I don't rely on hadith, sura, etc in interpreting the Quran, kindly enlighten me which part of my knowledge is shallow?

ALL!!!!!!

I declare there is no greater BUM then the Prophet TauBum the wise and knowledgeable, as all the "BUM-RAPS" in the universe is the result of people not understanding the Almighty God PETE who teaches that all Muslims are crocked people. Amen!


I think I want to be reborn as God of the Rats because Then I can control all the Rats on this website.

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Have you guys also heard that mamakuty also uses an astrologer from kerala.....

This is a common practice amongst malaysian politiians.

But the fact still exists that such people who resort to mumbo-jumbo stuff do not have faith in their own religion (ALL RELIGION IS GOOD). This stems from a lack of confidence in oneself which materialises in an inferiority complex. Such people live in constant fear. They need this kind Mr. Ji to sooth their very fragile egos.

(I'm not saying that there is no such power in the mumbo jumbo stuff) Resorting to this stuff.......only brings more harm to the person than good....as Shakespeare wrote in Macbeth...."the instruments of darkness to lead us to our harm, win us with honest trifles only to betray us in deepest consequence" Najib has invoked the dark forces......and there is nothing that can help him now!......."Unnatural deeds do lead to unnatural trouble"

I feel sorry for him!

And most definitely I do not want him leading the nation.....the man is doomed.......

"not fit to lead"

With the recent events......I feel payback time is already here for Najib and Rosmah!

hubble bubble toil and trouble......may najib and rosmah boil in hell!

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Taobum

All religion is good. Islam is a very practical religion ( I am not a Muslim)
just because some Muslims don't practice it right doe not mean it is evil!

There is good in all religion.

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NAJIB worships this in his house

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At least some of Rajoo's allegations are true - Mr Ji is Eswaren's bomoh and Rosmah does use Mr Ji's services (and those of a number of other bomohs as well). The Big Fat Mamma is so desperate to be the so-called "First Lady", she will do ANYTHING to get there. Maybe RPK should give us the story of Rosmah, from the early days, when she was married to someone else and so was Najib, but she aimed and scored. A lot of juicy details from those days. RPK, what say you?

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Shiokguy: [If the contents of the above SD are true] the problem is not that Najib is a Hindu. The problem is that he is a Hindu while LYING about being a Muslim and being a senior member of a party that supports and carries out suppressive and sometimes violent actions against non-Muslim religions.

Anyway, even if this story is true, I don't think it means Najib and Rosmah "are Hindus" per se. What it means is that because they hold on to their power by fear and intimidation, they too are living in a state of fear and are doing all these cleansing rituals out of paranoia that someone will "sumpah"/hex them.

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Both Na-shit and Rose Ichibawa will eventually end up in the mental hospital.

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Prophet TaoBum said,"why don't you educate me and dispel my ignorance rather than doing a post-mortem on my writing."

Oh Prophet TaoBum, Education is for someone willing to learn, You are not ready yet! willing.
Reply:Circular argument.

Consider that I am a "Quran only Muslim", i.e., I don't rely on hadith, sura, etc in interpreting the Quran, kindly enlighten me which part of my knowledge is shallow?

ALL!!!!!!
Reply:Argumentum ad hominem; the exclamation mark betrays your anger.

I declare there is no greater BUM then the Prophet TauBum the wise and knowledgeable, as all the "BUM-RAPS" in the universe is the result of people not understanding the Almighty God PETE who teaches that all Muslims are crocked people. Amen!
Reply:Argumentum ad hominem. You were the one who said that all Muslims are crocked people, not the Almighty God PETE. Thanks for accepting me as Prophet TauBum and my god as the Almighty God PETE. At least my god, the Almighty God PETE is much alive, kicking and fighting for justice…i.e., “Maha Pengadil” and the holy book of truth I refer daily goes by the name Malaysia Today. Isn’t that better than your inert Moon God.

I think I want to be reborn as God of the Rats because Then I can control all the Rats on this website.
Reply:By all means. My blessings will always be with you. My sincere advice to you is that you be extra careful with the “pest control” people in this website.

I expected to engage in intelligent discussion. My claims come from the materials found in the www. I have not posted any pictures or caricatures insulting Islam. What I was hoping for was an academic discussion because I know this will not materialize in the Physical Realm as evident from the recent barbaric attack on the Bar Council forum on Islam and with the imam’s hate speech against the non Muslim’s going on every Friday in the mosque whose script is sanctioned by the government with full blessings. This is our back-door, you can’t close it. Finally, if you want to rant, curse, swear and call people names, this is not the right place. I suggest you visit one of the links I posted earlier.

If I may borrow from Eleanor Roosevelt “ Great minds discuss ideas”
“ Average minds discuss events” “ Small minds discuss people”.

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Due to the approachinh

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I have done some research and found out that rituals done on Amavas night, relate to sorcery and witchcraft! It has nothing to do with mainstream Hinduism.

The dark forces are invoked on this night!

So Najib and Rosmah .........they better remember Mona Fendy.... and what happened to her!......If you use the dark forces to kill...(we don't know whether the Mongolian lass was also hexed!)....the punishment for them will be 10 times more!

Anyway...I think its payback time now for them!
Evil will come back to them. They reap what they sow!

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