The view expressed by Prof Emeritus Dr Khoo Kay Kim that Chinese schools have been good only in producing copycats is certainly not without merit or truth.
By Thomas Lee
Education has been perceived by many people as merely the accumulation of facts and figures through a systematic drilling of these knowledge into a person, especially a child, most of the time without the individual concerned truely understanding or really knowing what the facts and figures are all about.
To be considered "educated" is to be able to reproduce wholesale in an examination what had been instructed or taught to a student, and made to memorise in a mechanical rote manner, without questioning, like a parrot.
Take the learning of history, for example. A person can pass an examination in histrory and graduate with a degree majoring in the subject without actually knowing much about history. He or she just needs to reproduce the facts and figures fed to him or her by his lecturer and, "Praise the Lord!" as a Christian would exclaim, he or she has now passed the examination and is granted the degree.
But, does the person really know anything about the history he or she has been taught?
True, he or she can reproduce the fact that the Portugese conquered Malacca in 1511, but does he or she know and understand the implication of the fact?
History is a matter or interpretation of facts and figures. Take the example of an accident involving two cars. The fact of the accident obviouly could not be disputed, but how one arrives at an objective historical account of the accident will demand an impartial critical analysis of the event, taking into consideration various factors.
For instant, the driver of Car A will have his version of what happened while Car B driver will have her side of the story. A witness to the accident will give another view of it. The condition of the two cars and
drivers involved, the weather and road condition, too, will contribute to the interpretation of the event.
Are are our students taught to think critically, analytically, creatively and constructively in the classrooms or lecture halls? Or are they just fed facts and figures to be memorised and reproduced wholesale to pass the examination and considered "educated".
Using the Portugese conquer of Malacca as an example again, I would want my students to go beyond the mere facts and figures of the historical event. I would want them to study the political, economical,
religious and cultural condition and environment of the time, and ask such questions like why Malacca fell. I would like to ask them write an essay on "What would Malaysia be like now if Malacca had not been conquered by the Portugese?"
No, such educational approach is not being used in our schools and tertiary institutions, not only in the Chinese schools. We stress on the competition for excellence in memory and the wholesale reproduction of what is memorised, not in the creative and critical intellectual development of a person.
Hence, we have produced many so-called graduates who are no better than literate goons, who are unable to think analytically and critically.
They cannot come out with their own original creative ideas and ideals, but use only recycled facts, methods and approaches. They dare not venture beyond what they are taught, but are just satisfied with doing what is routine. They are well-trained zombies.
No wonder we see so many gullible people in our midst, who are so easily conned and cheated, so credulous, and these are so-called "well-educated" professional people! A recent news report about how a church with an elite membership of businesspeople and professionals could be exploited and abused financially by its senior pastor is a good example.
The root of our education problem is the lack of real learning. The content and approach of our education system are geared towards passing examination, not the creative intellectual development of indiviuals.
We must remember that education is not merely going through the grill and drill of rote learning, but the acquring, accumulation and absorption of "personal" knowledge and the achievement and accomplishment of "personal" intellectual growth and development.
Perhaps, it is time we redefine, revamp and redevelop our education system.
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Thomas, who retired in June as a deputy editor in The Star, has been a socio-political analyst for nearly 35 years.
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written by popuri, December 07, 2009 11:50:11
written by popuri, December 07, 2009 11:50:11
Does anyone notice that Liow Tiong Lai resembles Mahathir?
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written by budakindia, December 07, 2009 10:09:46
written by budakindia, December 07, 2009 10:09:46
I still couldn't understand how in the world, the Malaccan government could be ousted by a mere 5000 Portugese soldiers? Malaccan soldiers were at that time 30,000. They always put that the weapon the Portugese used was much more advanced in those days. Err I beg to differ, those days rifles which soldiers were carrying used flintock to fire it up and reload after each use. It's a slow process and by the time you reloading the enemy would have attacked you and you're done for. The odds were 1:6. What really happen actually ? 
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written by Rhan, December 07, 2009 09:39:46
written by Rhan, December 07, 2009 09:39:46
Opps, my mistake, by reading some further comments, then only I realise this article is not that articulate after all, I shall retreat my statement. Perhaps the writer is the product of KKK hallucination, one that can’t even copy well, don’t mention creativity.
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written by bknight, December 07, 2009 06:57:51
written by bknight, December 07, 2009 06:57:51
sorry grammar abit out on my previous posting...maklum lar..it is 3am for me here..maaf ya ?
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written by bknight, December 07, 2009 06:51:57
written by bknight, December 07, 2009 06:51:57
i disagree with the possibility that the fall of malacca is a sanctioned punitive action by imperial china, to reinforce my argument. i would like to point readers to a book “1434” by the author Gavin Menzies. he wrote “1421” . however the latest sequel he produce is called "1434, the year a magnificent chinese fleet sailed to italy and ignited the renaissance"
in the year 1421, Emperor Zhu Di of the Yongle Dynasty set off a monumental feat, he was trying to build monuments for Yongle Dynasty :
1) Forbidden City
2) Ming Tomb
3) Temple of Heaven
and at the same time building 2000 ships for Zheng He’s (who is happened to be a muslim eunuch ) fleet which is called Treasure Fleet. Zheng He then received an imperial decree and from Emperor Zhu Di and appointed as an ambassador to go to “foreign countries which is distantly located beyond the sea who have not heard or did not know” [Pg 6, 1434 , Gavin Menzies] to basically allow these foreign countries voyage back to China to pay tribute to Emperor Zhu Di, these countries are referred to as “the barbarians”. Some countries were conquered by the Chinese fleet and some are not. A quick example of country that is conquered is Vietnam for their timber to build ships and for those country whom the Emperor requires them to pay tribute back to china and to ensure safe passage for Zheng He’s fleet, these countries were then presented gifts for their ruler and some of it are personal gifts to the rulers. Among these finds around the world are :
1)Ceramics replicas of Mamluk candlestick for Mamluk Sultans
2)Pitcher (ewer) decorated with armillary sphere for King of Portugal (they were suppose to pay tribute to Zhu Di)
3)Ceramics tiles for the Ottoman Empire
In pg 20, the author wrote that the saddest cargo in Zheng He’s fleet were women (slaves girl or concubines). These slave girls or concubines were made princess to be presented to foreign ruler. A search on wiki provides similar indication on Puteri Hang Li Po http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_Li_Po
And apart from these cargo on the fleet, there were also pocket encyclopedia such as the Nung Shu and Wu-ching Tsung Yao and were presented as gifts not just to the ruler of Venice , Tuscany and Florence, which is what ignites the renaissance in Italy.
Another most important document presented to the foreign ruler is a calendar informing the birth date of Emperor Zhu Di and the date of his Reign as Emperor, together with the world map for the foreign ruler to sail to middle kingdom to pay tribute to the Emperor.
2 of the famous person who are an indirect beneficiary of this map is Columbus and Magellan (who set sail for the King of Portugal).
By the time Zheng He’s fleet reached Sri Lanka in 1432, he detached from the fleet and order Hong Bao to sail to Calicut. While after that the where about of Zheng He were untraceable after that. It is claimed by the author that Zheng He from then on set sail to Africa and North America before settling down near Ashville in North Carolina and passed away in NC. [pg 43, 1434, Gavin Menzies], while the world map that is acquired by the Europeans were encountered in Calicut between the Chinese Fleet and the Europeans.
In conclusion: during the era of Zheng He, the Chinese were dominating the sea through his armada. However after the fleets detached and many did not return together with Zheng He to the Middle Kingdom, thus China lost it’s powerful fleet on sea. While the Europeans starts to dominate the seafaring after obtaining the map from the Chinese fleet. That is how I believe the Malacca Sultanate falls to the Portuguese.
in the year 1421, Emperor Zhu Di of the Yongle Dynasty set off a monumental feat, he was trying to build monuments for Yongle Dynasty :
1) Forbidden City
2) Ming Tomb
3) Temple of Heaven
and at the same time building 2000 ships for Zheng He’s (who is happened to be a muslim eunuch ) fleet which is called Treasure Fleet. Zheng He then received an imperial decree and from Emperor Zhu Di and appointed as an ambassador to go to “foreign countries which is distantly located beyond the sea who have not heard or did not know” [Pg 6, 1434 , Gavin Menzies] to basically allow these foreign countries voyage back to China to pay tribute to Emperor Zhu Di, these countries are referred to as “the barbarians”. Some countries were conquered by the Chinese fleet and some are not. A quick example of country that is conquered is Vietnam for their timber to build ships and for those country whom the Emperor requires them to pay tribute back to china and to ensure safe passage for Zheng He’s fleet, these countries were then presented gifts for their ruler and some of it are personal gifts to the rulers. Among these finds around the world are :
1)Ceramics replicas of Mamluk candlestick for Mamluk Sultans
2)Pitcher (ewer) decorated with armillary sphere for King of Portugal (they were suppose to pay tribute to Zhu Di)
3)Ceramics tiles for the Ottoman Empire
In pg 20, the author wrote that the saddest cargo in Zheng He’s fleet were women (slaves girl or concubines). These slave girls or concubines were made princess to be presented to foreign ruler. A search on wiki provides similar indication on Puteri Hang Li Po http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_Li_Po
And apart from these cargo on the fleet, there were also pocket encyclopedia such as the Nung Shu and Wu-ching Tsung Yao and were presented as gifts not just to the ruler of Venice , Tuscany and Florence, which is what ignites the renaissance in Italy.
Another most important document presented to the foreign ruler is a calendar informing the birth date of Emperor Zhu Di and the date of his Reign as Emperor, together with the world map for the foreign ruler to sail to middle kingdom to pay tribute to the Emperor.
2 of the famous person who are an indirect beneficiary of this map is Columbus and Magellan (who set sail for the King of Portugal).
By the time Zheng He’s fleet reached Sri Lanka in 1432, he detached from the fleet and order Hong Bao to sail to Calicut. While after that the where about of Zheng He were untraceable after that. It is claimed by the author that Zheng He from then on set sail to Africa and North America before settling down near Ashville in North Carolina and passed away in NC. [pg 43, 1434, Gavin Menzies], while the world map that is acquired by the Europeans were encountered in Calicut between the Chinese Fleet and the Europeans.
In conclusion: during the era of Zheng He, the Chinese were dominating the sea through his armada. However after the fleets detached and many did not return together with Zheng He to the Middle Kingdom, thus China lost it’s powerful fleet on sea. While the Europeans starts to dominate the seafaring after obtaining the map from the Chinese fleet. That is how I believe the Malacca Sultanate falls to the Portuguese.
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written by renoir, December 07, 2009 05:47:20
written by renoir, December 07, 2009 05:47:20
Continued
>They cannot come out with their own original creative ideas and ideals, but use only recycled facts, methods and approaches.]]
But don't most educational systems - all over the world - share such common weaknesses? How else could we explain the millions of votes that went to Bush Jr, the hordes of Americans who accused Obama of wanting to spend THEIR money but forgot about the trillions of taxpayer dollars that had been used and continued to be earmarked for illegal wars against nations located thousands of miles from America?
The purpose of government, generally, is to produce a population that could be productive without questioning the rulers too much. An excellent example of such docile creatures - running tortoise? - is none other than the prof emeritus with the curious initials KKK.
Just think: the Enlightenment arose out of very strict government, religious, and educational institutions. Rote learning was also common during the Industrial Revolution. Germany's rise during the 1800s and the years between the World Wars were directed by products of scholarly rote learning. Japan's Meiji government - and that of the Soviet Union from Stalin to Krushchev - had rather unadventurous school systems. The idea of encouraging personal expression and freedom of thought was seldom realized in any country, though undeniably such ideals were very much prized in the US. But then we also note that most of those who were responsible for the American atomic and hydrogen bombs and nuclear missiles were NOT products of the American school system, but from foreign nations that often popularized "rote learning." German inventiveness was probably greatest under Hitler - the first fighter plane, bombers, rockets, guided missiles, etc., were all invented under the Nazi regime. The Chinese rocket scientist Tsien Hsue-Shen and Nobel Prize winners Yang Chen Ning and Lee Tsung Dao all had their early education under the "rote system." So did Jimmy Choo, who was from Penang's Shih Chung Primary School.
I bet the great Tagore also had a "rote learning" experience while at school.
The reason why, today, most PhD researchers in the US come from foreign countries is simple: those countries' educational system demand a lot of memorization, something that's inevitable in maths and science. On the other hand, most of our schools - and universities - are quite easy on this aspect, which is why we get wonderful salespeople, possibly from MARA and similar institutions, who couldn't figure the correct change at Tesco or Jusco when their cash machines broke down.
Now in China - from which I'm writing this piece - the students are probably no better than Malaysians when it comes to "vision" or "thinking out of the box." But what the hell -- their maths would scare the shit of us, not to mention the rapid setting up of my computer by one young man, which contrasts sharply with the fat guy from Subang (a Chinese Malaysian) who messed with my cyberware, took one week, and ended up with me having to buy a new router.
People tend to become smart and creative out of necessity. Germany, Russia, and China were countries which saw great upheavals and sufferings. The need to survive stretches the mind more than anything else, which is why a people without competition, i.e. challenges, would most likely become dull and, perhaps, fade away. Read Arnold Toynbee if you don't believe me.
>They cannot come out with their own original creative ideas and ideals, but use only recycled facts, methods and approaches.]]
But don't most educational systems - all over the world - share such common weaknesses? How else could we explain the millions of votes that went to Bush Jr, the hordes of Americans who accused Obama of wanting to spend THEIR money but forgot about the trillions of taxpayer dollars that had been used and continued to be earmarked for illegal wars against nations located thousands of miles from America?
The purpose of government, generally, is to produce a population that could be productive without questioning the rulers too much. An excellent example of such docile creatures - running tortoise? - is none other than the prof emeritus with the curious initials KKK.
Just think: the Enlightenment arose out of very strict government, religious, and educational institutions. Rote learning was also common during the Industrial Revolution. Germany's rise during the 1800s and the years between the World Wars were directed by products of scholarly rote learning. Japan's Meiji government - and that of the Soviet Union from Stalin to Krushchev - had rather unadventurous school systems. The idea of encouraging personal expression and freedom of thought was seldom realized in any country, though undeniably such ideals were very much prized in the US. But then we also note that most of those who were responsible for the American atomic and hydrogen bombs and nuclear missiles were NOT products of the American school system, but from foreign nations that often popularized "rote learning." German inventiveness was probably greatest under Hitler - the first fighter plane, bombers, rockets, guided missiles, etc., were all invented under the Nazi regime. The Chinese rocket scientist Tsien Hsue-Shen and Nobel Prize winners Yang Chen Ning and Lee Tsung Dao all had their early education under the "rote system." So did Jimmy Choo, who was from Penang's Shih Chung Primary School.
I bet the great Tagore also had a "rote learning" experience while at school.
The reason why, today, most PhD researchers in the US come from foreign countries is simple: those countries' educational system demand a lot of memorization, something that's inevitable in maths and science. On the other hand, most of our schools - and universities - are quite easy on this aspect, which is why we get wonderful salespeople, possibly from MARA and similar institutions, who couldn't figure the correct change at Tesco or Jusco when their cash machines broke down.
Now in China - from which I'm writing this piece - the students are probably no better than Malaysians when it comes to "vision" or "thinking out of the box." But what the hell -- their maths would scare the shit of us, not to mention the rapid setting up of my computer by one young man, which contrasts sharply with the fat guy from Subang (a Chinese Malaysian) who messed with my cyberware, took one week, and ended up with me having to buy a new router.
People tend to become smart and creative out of necessity. Germany, Russia, and China were countries which saw great upheavals and sufferings. The need to survive stretches the mind more than anything else, which is why a people without competition, i.e. challenges, would most likely become dull and, perhaps, fade away. Read Arnold Toynbee if you don't believe me.
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written by renoir, December 07, 2009 05:45:11
written by renoir, December 07, 2009 05:45:11
There are about half a dozen spelling mistakes in the article, mostly typos, but nevertheless reprehensible as it has been prepared for publication.
Let's look at other kinds of errors:
>He or she just needs to reproduce the facts and figures fed to him or her by his lecturer...]]
Awkward and almost nonsensical, particularly with all the "he or she" and "fed to him or her," only to follow up with "by HIS lecturer." Either restructure the sentence or simply use "he" - readers will know the pronoun stands for both sexes.
> Or are they just fed facts and figures to be memorised and reproduced wholesale to pass the examination and considered "educated".]]
Gotta change something here. For example: ... reproduced wholesale to pass the examination in order to be considered "educated" (bad style because of too many "to"s but at least logically constructed).
>Using the Portugese conquer]]
Conquest, la.
> I would want them to study the political, economical,
religious and cultural condition and environment of the time, ]]
...political, ECONOMIC, religious, cultural and environmental conditions of the time.
>, such educational approach is not being used in our schools and tertiary institutions, not only in the Chinese schools.]]
Add a conjunction: ...tertiary institutions, AND not only in Chinese schools.
> education is not merely going through the grill and drill of rote learning, but the acquring, accumulation and absorption of "personal" knowledge and the achievement and accomplishment of "personal" intellectual growth and development.<
The writer gotta clarify what was meant by "personal."
Lastly, some observations:
> we have produced many so-called graduates who are no better than literate goons, who are unable to think analytically and critically]]
Frankly, if we are REALLY literate, and by literacy I mean really understanding what we read and write, then we SHOULD be able to think "analytically and critically." The problem, I think, is that many of us are not REALLY literate.
To be continued
Let's look at other kinds of errors:
>He or she just needs to reproduce the facts and figures fed to him or her by his lecturer...]]
Awkward and almost nonsensical, particularly with all the "he or she" and "fed to him or her," only to follow up with "by HIS lecturer." Either restructure the sentence or simply use "he" - readers will know the pronoun stands for both sexes.
> Or are they just fed facts and figures to be memorised and reproduced wholesale to pass the examination and considered "educated".]]
Gotta change something here. For example: ... reproduced wholesale to pass the examination in order to be considered "educated" (bad style because of too many "to"s but at least logically constructed).
>Using the Portugese conquer]]
Conquest, la.
> I would want them to study the political, economical,
religious and cultural condition and environment of the time, ]]
...political, ECONOMIC, religious, cultural and environmental conditions of the time.
>, such educational approach is not being used in our schools and tertiary institutions, not only in the Chinese schools.]]
Add a conjunction: ...tertiary institutions, AND not only in Chinese schools.
> education is not merely going through the grill and drill of rote learning, but the acquring, accumulation and absorption of "personal" knowledge and the achievement and accomplishment of "personal" intellectual growth and development.<
The writer gotta clarify what was meant by "personal."
Lastly, some observations:
> we have produced many so-called graduates who are no better than literate goons, who are unable to think analytically and critically]]
Frankly, if we are REALLY literate, and by literacy I mean really understanding what we read and write, then we SHOULD be able to think "analytically and critically." The problem, I think, is that many of us are not REALLY literate.
To be continued
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written by Nixcloud, December 07, 2009 00:10:01
written by Nixcloud, December 07, 2009 00:10:01
khoo 'kaypo',
what u know is what u read in the edited version of the text books, i still remember my std 4 text book in 1979 says the malacca sultan married a chinese princess (daughter of the emperor) called hang li po but history books elsewhere says hang li po is only one of the emperor's 3000 concubines... and cheng po was a laksamana meaning warrior or general but he was actually a eunuch of the emperor.
am sure u have a hand in giving me all these wrong infos... and u were made a prof and expert by the BN govt, glad they think u are worth something but u are still a pendatang...
what u know is what u read in the edited version of the text books, i still remember my std 4 text book in 1979 says the malacca sultan married a chinese princess (daughter of the emperor) called hang li po but history books elsewhere says hang li po is only one of the emperor's 3000 concubines... and cheng po was a laksamana meaning warrior or general but he was actually a eunuch of the emperor.
am sure u have a hand in giving me all these wrong infos... and u were made a prof and expert by the BN govt, glad they think u are worth something but u are still a pendatang...
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written by cantab, December 06, 2009 23:32:25
written by cantab, December 06, 2009 23:32:25
Sorry Prof Khoo for being hush. But I still firmly believe that you are just a half-past six professor wiith an emiritus status with no great deal in my eyes.
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written by cantab, December 06, 2009 23:24:03
written by cantab, December 06, 2009 23:24:03
Prof Emeritus Dr Khoo Kay Kim "PROFESSED that Chinese schools have been good only in producing copycats.
Well, Prof Khoo, what evidence do you have to support such claim? Have you done any research on this involving representative sample? Perhaps you should also try to correlate the academic achievement of top set students with their achievement in creative and critical thinking skills. I speculate that you yourself might not even do well in these critical and thinking or IQ tests. I have seen enough of non-science professors with low IQ. Don't be arrogant with your professor emeritus (in just history) status. Try study Form 6 chemistry/physics which actually needs much thinking, and I bet you will not even pass despite having a PhD in history. Get a science-based student with a PhD and ask his/her to sit for your Form 6 History and I bet s/he will excel.
Oh, were you from the English-medium or Chinese-medium primary school? If you were from the former, then shut up as you are not even qualified to speak on this. The same goes to all the national linguists who oppose the teaching of science and maths in English. They couldn't even go into science stream when science and maths were taught in Malay language. So SHUT UP.
Well, Prof Khoo, what evidence do you have to support such claim? Have you done any research on this involving representative sample? Perhaps you should also try to correlate the academic achievement of top set students with their achievement in creative and critical thinking skills. I speculate that you yourself might not even do well in these critical and thinking or IQ tests. I have seen enough of non-science professors with low IQ. Don't be arrogant with your professor emeritus (in just history) status. Try study Form 6 chemistry/physics which actually needs much thinking, and I bet you will not even pass despite having a PhD in history. Get a science-based student with a PhD and ask his/her to sit for your Form 6 History and I bet s/he will excel.
Oh, were you from the English-medium or Chinese-medium primary school? If you were from the former, then shut up as you are not even qualified to speak on this. The same goes to all the national linguists who oppose the teaching of science and maths in English. They couldn't even go into science stream when science and maths were taught in Malay language. So SHUT UP.
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written by Sinewy, December 06, 2009 17:37:37
written by Sinewy, December 06, 2009 17:37:37
Khoo Kay Kim wants the people who are against him to show proof of their argument. But the funny thing is this Khoo Kay Kim is also making statement without any proof to show that the chinese education system is inferior to others..So this Khoo Kay Kim is also just a kopitiam talking cock like all others. Khoo Kay Kim please go and enjoy your old age and forget about being an intellectual trying to teach others because you are just like me, nothing more nothing less.....
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written by Rhan, December 06, 2009 10:55:29
written by Rhan, December 06, 2009 10:55:29
Many can come out with articulate article that talk about revamp in education and politic. But what have this writers did when they are in position to effect changes? They act like dog and do worst than politician, at least we know politician is robbers and liars.
Even a religion party could wins over the support of people and this A*****e talk about Chinese school this and that? All this professor and retire writers or intellectual shall go eat shit.
Btw, don’t ever underestimate our kids today, despite the stupid political environment, I believe most of them could excel in term of mindset and ability to analyse. The so-called generation of great, the papa and mama today is mostly brainless zombies that have been support a racist and corrupted regime for the past 50 years. Take a mirror and have a closer look of yourself again, perhaps you should jump lake instead of continue polluting this piece of bless land of ours.
Even a religion party could wins over the support of people and this A*****e talk about Chinese school this and that? All this professor and retire writers or intellectual shall go eat shit.
Btw, don’t ever underestimate our kids today, despite the stupid political environment, I believe most of them could excel in term of mindset and ability to analyse. The so-called generation of great, the papa and mama today is mostly brainless zombies that have been support a racist and corrupted regime for the past 50 years. Take a mirror and have a closer look of yourself again, perhaps you should jump lake instead of continue polluting this piece of bless land of ours.
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written by siewchinteo, December 06, 2009 08:41:38
written by siewchinteo, December 06, 2009 08:41:38
"....Did you know that Najib's ancestry traces to half-Arab-half-Mongolian? ..."
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hahahaha Michael Chick - u totally had to slot that in didn't u !
keep goin mate cos by the looks of it, our history lessons in school is 1Fraud.
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hahahaha Michael Chick - u totally had to slot that in didn't u !
keep goin mate cos by the looks of it, our history lessons in school is 1Fraud.
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written by michael chick, December 06, 2009 01:45:31
written by michael chick, December 06, 2009 01:45:31
Dear Siew Chin, if RPK kicks my butt then you wont see me here anymore. Don't forget he controls MT !!! Hahahaha
Dear AsamLaksa:
The Malacca Sultanate is not all that it appears to be.
MC: Absolutely !! Especially the Bastardized version which is taught in schools!!
Firstly imperial China has changed it's foreign policy and could not project it's influence at the Straits of Malacca.
MC: I suspect that it was a deliberate release by China, as Hoi Ann was a much closer port. And much nearer for China to send ships to. Also don't forget the discontinuation of the Cheng Ho foreign trips.
One trader from India was said to have helped the invaders (finance, inform, supply?).
MC: Yes, offhand I forgot his name. I have the book specifically on this topic.
Why would any trader finance the invasion?
MC: No, you've got it a little confused. The Chettiah fella did NOT finance the invasion. He was simply playing James Bond. Not IMF. He was merely the local "Ah Long" cum Moneychanger. It seems that the first unsuccessful Portuguese-Spy was a Melayu, who then got tortured and killed by the Sultan, as his messages got intercepted by Hang-Somebody... (NOT WILLIAM)
Maybe the sultanate has gone south (corruption, maladministration?) or that the traders were sidelined.
MC: In the final days before the Portuguese took over Malacca, it was reported that Cargo Ships had to be chained every night, and the sailors had to sleep on their ships for fear of Marauders pillaging the Cargo Ships. What I find strange is that Malacca had "Shipping Laws", but no ships of their own !!
Malacca sultanate did not have much of a military power.
MC: Who'd ever heard of the "Royal Malaccan Sampan Navy"? See what I mean? And the crap we read about "I can call upon 10,000 fighting men at any time.." is also pure Bullshit !! Malacca could not sustain a 400,000 population to have 100,000 fighting men. As far as I'm concerned, "Sejarah Melayu", if restored to it's original name of "Asal-Usul Raja-Raja" would be much more palatable. Then all that "Big-Talk-Pissing Contest" would be simpler to understand. What I find confusing is how the 1st 3 pages of Sejarah melayu insists that the melayus are direct descendants of Alexander the Great AND a West Indian Princess, but no Melayu is willing to accept this as fact! It is no different from the Cambodian-Origins Story, except for the reversal of genders.
Mercs were used which betrayed them and fled. Not paying enough to make it worth their lives?
MC: Those Mercs happen to be the Bugis who had ancestry traced to the original Arabic Pirates who pillaged all the way till Shanghai since the 2nd century. Did you know that Najib's ancestry traces to half-Arab-half-Mongolian? No pun intended really !! Check it out at the dedicated Discovery-Channel book on Sulawesi for easy access. The Mercs (Bugis) were all commission-based. Any ship who refused to "Pay Tribute" to Malacca was boarded, burnt, and had the crew killed. It's not very different from dUMNO today; sad to say....
MC: Needless to say, Malacca killed itself due to poor Policies, and definitely bad governance. Almost everything was "By the Sword", as we sadly so clearly see today as well.
Peace
Dear AsamLaksa:
The Malacca Sultanate is not all that it appears to be.
MC: Absolutely !! Especially the Bastardized version which is taught in schools!!
Firstly imperial China has changed it's foreign policy and could not project it's influence at the Straits of Malacca.
MC: I suspect that it was a deliberate release by China, as Hoi Ann was a much closer port. And much nearer for China to send ships to. Also don't forget the discontinuation of the Cheng Ho foreign trips.
One trader from India was said to have helped the invaders (finance, inform, supply?).
MC: Yes, offhand I forgot his name. I have the book specifically on this topic.
Why would any trader finance the invasion?
MC: No, you've got it a little confused. The Chettiah fella did NOT finance the invasion. He was simply playing James Bond. Not IMF. He was merely the local "Ah Long" cum Moneychanger. It seems that the first unsuccessful Portuguese-Spy was a Melayu, who then got tortured and killed by the Sultan, as his messages got intercepted by Hang-Somebody... (NOT WILLIAM)
Maybe the sultanate has gone south (corruption, maladministration?) or that the traders were sidelined.
MC: In the final days before the Portuguese took over Malacca, it was reported that Cargo Ships had to be chained every night, and the sailors had to sleep on their ships for fear of Marauders pillaging the Cargo Ships. What I find strange is that Malacca had "Shipping Laws", but no ships of their own !!
Malacca sultanate did not have much of a military power.
MC: Who'd ever heard of the "Royal Malaccan Sampan Navy"? See what I mean? And the crap we read about "I can call upon 10,000 fighting men at any time.." is also pure Bullshit !! Malacca could not sustain a 400,000 population to have 100,000 fighting men. As far as I'm concerned, "Sejarah Melayu", if restored to it's original name of "Asal-Usul Raja-Raja" would be much more palatable. Then all that "Big-Talk-Pissing Contest" would be simpler to understand. What I find confusing is how the 1st 3 pages of Sejarah melayu insists that the melayus are direct descendants of Alexander the Great AND a West Indian Princess, but no Melayu is willing to accept this as fact! It is no different from the Cambodian-Origins Story, except for the reversal of genders.
Mercs were used which betrayed them and fled. Not paying enough to make it worth their lives?
MC: Those Mercs happen to be the Bugis who had ancestry traced to the original Arabic Pirates who pillaged all the way till Shanghai since the 2nd century. Did you know that Najib's ancestry traces to half-Arab-half-Mongolian? No pun intended really !! Check it out at the dedicated Discovery-Channel book on Sulawesi for easy access. The Mercs (Bugis) were all commission-based. Any ship who refused to "Pay Tribute" to Malacca was boarded, burnt, and had the crew killed. It's not very different from dUMNO today; sad to say....
MC: Needless to say, Malacca killed itself due to poor Policies, and definitely bad governance. Almost everything was "By the Sword", as we sadly so clearly see today as well.
Peace
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written by jokersland, December 06, 2009 00:10:29
written by jokersland, December 06, 2009 00:10:29
A very articulate article Mr. Thomas Lee. Just 2 days ago when our area had a power breakdown for nearly 4 hours, only i realized that my childrens kowledge is still very shallow at their age. All they are taught is to memorised only but not developing their mind at all in a creative ways. All the parent's are only comparing how many As their children score in the exam. So what if straight As if only working as a robot and didn't know how to help in developing the nation.
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written by Rhan, December 05, 2009 23:33:17
written by Rhan, December 05, 2009 23:33:17
Talkass Lee & ProF**kassor Cock Get Cane
Pray tell how much resource your master injects into Chinese school? Malaysian should feel bless that we are allowed an option to choose, and force the parents to open their eyes on sub standard of local tertiary education that force them to work hard and save enough for overseas education. In short, we outsource our education to one who understand education and let our kids to have the opportunity to choose, again. Who want to attend university that produced professor like this no brain Cock?
Pray tell how much resource your master injects into Chinese school? Malaysian should feel bless that we are allowed an option to choose, and force the parents to open their eyes on sub standard of local tertiary education that force them to work hard and save enough for overseas education. In short, we outsource our education to one who understand education and let our kids to have the opportunity to choose, again. Who want to attend university that produced professor like this no brain Cock?
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written by hiro, December 05, 2009 23:13:56
written by hiro, December 05, 2009 23:13:56
I think the article has strayed from the issue of whether we need vernacular schools, in particular the Chinese variety.
Yes, our system is still diseased with rot learning. But at least in vernacular schools, there is still discipline, commitment and drive to teach the right thing. The same cannot be said about all national schools.
So if it is rot learning my kids have to go through, I'd pick the lesser of two evils.
Yes, our system is still diseased with rot learning. But at least in vernacular schools, there is still discipline, commitment and drive to teach the right thing. The same cannot be said about all national schools.
So if it is rot learning my kids have to go through, I'd pick the lesser of two evils.
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written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 20:24:11
written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 20:24:11
my dear MC - what? u scared over abit of butt kicking?
YM RPK got his kicked many times over but he's still mooning em !!!
YM RPK got his kicked many times over but he's still mooning em !!!
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written by masterwordsmith, December 05, 2009 18:53:37
written by masterwordsmith, December 05, 2009 18:53:37
Excellent post! As one who has voluntarily 'retired' from trying to mould the minds of literate goons, I can testify to the truth of the following statements:
The root of our education problem is the lack of real learning. The content and approach of our education system are geared towards passing examination, not the creative intellectual development of indiviuals.
And the problem is one across the board - all types of schools teaching different types of curriculum!
And why does this malaise exist? allow me to share a few causal factors:
1. Deplorable state of education in terms of syllabus, training of educators (which by the way are very rare these days)
2. A diluted marking scheme where the curve is adjusted to reflect positively on some leading to the meaninglessness of straight A1 students.
I once taught a 12A1 JPA scholar who wrote "I has a good family..."
3. Textbooks which do not encourage learning or critical thinking skills
4. The teaching industry which is in a very sad state for many reasons and also the dull teaching methods which fail to engage students in the learning process
5. The lack of a desire to learn, the absence of an inquiring mind
6. The death of creativity due to the rise in the negative influence of internet and the downside of technology which has caused students to cut and paste portions from the net for their assignments. Sadly, they get away with it as there are lecturers who are not too vigilant in their marking.
7. The 'kiasu' attitude of those who have to struggle to score because meritocracy does not exist in Malaysia, not in the real sense and so kids use the recommended template for answers as harvested from tuition centres and revision books
8. Corruption even in the education industry - thanks to the example set by certain people!!! I know people who write masters thesis for 5000RM, proposals for 1000RM, college assignments for 300RM...oh there are so many horror stories that I feel nauseated even writing about this...
9. Rote learning and regurgitation of facts due to poor approach to learning and lack of guidance from teachers etc...
Oh- the list is endless.
On a personal note, I have seen how standards started dipping in in the late 1990's and the sharpest gradient has been in the last five years.
Today, straight A1's at SPM is almost meaningless as many cannot engage in a reasonable discussion, express original ideas, or have the ability to think independently.
I worry for the next generation - whether they can see through the myths, spin tales and lies of the powers that be...More importantly, we have to groom leaders to take over the helm of the government and I am talking about WORLD CLASS leaders that can steer our nation out of the current doldrums.
Definitely, the whole system of education needs to be COMPLETELY REVAMPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM to put an end to the STINKING ROT that we see before us today!!!!
Pardon my rants but this is one topic which is very close to my heart.
The root of our education problem is the lack of real learning. The content and approach of our education system are geared towards passing examination, not the creative intellectual development of indiviuals.
And the problem is one across the board - all types of schools teaching different types of curriculum!
And why does this malaise exist? allow me to share a few causal factors:
1. Deplorable state of education in terms of syllabus, training of educators (which by the way are very rare these days)
2. A diluted marking scheme where the curve is adjusted to reflect positively on some leading to the meaninglessness of straight A1 students.
I once taught a 12A1 JPA scholar who wrote "I has a good family..."
3. Textbooks which do not encourage learning or critical thinking skills
4. The teaching industry which is in a very sad state for many reasons and also the dull teaching methods which fail to engage students in the learning process
5. The lack of a desire to learn, the absence of an inquiring mind
6. The death of creativity due to the rise in the negative influence of internet and the downside of technology which has caused students to cut and paste portions from the net for their assignments. Sadly, they get away with it as there are lecturers who are not too vigilant in their marking.
7. The 'kiasu' attitude of those who have to struggle to score because meritocracy does not exist in Malaysia, not in the real sense and so kids use the recommended template for answers as harvested from tuition centres and revision books
8. Corruption even in the education industry - thanks to the example set by certain people!!! I know people who write masters thesis for 5000RM, proposals for 1000RM, college assignments for 300RM...oh there are so many horror stories that I feel nauseated even writing about this...
9. Rote learning and regurgitation of facts due to poor approach to learning and lack of guidance from teachers etc...
Oh- the list is endless.
On a personal note, I have seen how standards started dipping in in the late 1990's and the sharpest gradient has been in the last five years.
Today, straight A1's at SPM is almost meaningless as many cannot engage in a reasonable discussion, express original ideas, or have the ability to think independently.
I worry for the next generation - whether they can see through the myths, spin tales and lies of the powers that be...More importantly, we have to groom leaders to take over the helm of the government and I am talking about WORLD CLASS leaders that can steer our nation out of the current doldrums.
Definitely, the whole system of education needs to be COMPLETELY REVAMPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM to put an end to the STINKING ROT that we see before us today!!!!
Pardon my rants but this is one topic which is very close to my heart.
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written by c53k, December 05, 2009 18:45:53
written by c53k, December 05, 2009 18:45:53
How can someone who has only a second-hand idea of Chinese vernacular education talk 'bull' about that education?
Professorship or not, the outcome is still a big bullsh*t!
One of the possibility could be he was confused with the way where tingxie & moxie were been conducted in the vernacular Chinese schools.
Tingxie requires the student to write down what the teacher recite, word by word, on paper. Moxie requires the student to write down a whole essay/poem just by looking at the title. Due to the linguastic nature of the Chinese writing - pictogram vis-a-vis phonetic - memorising is the key ingredient in achieving top score.
The added advantage of such teaching technique is that it exercises the brain & train the grey matter in handling/remembering facts. This is often the reason why Chinese-ed students are better in Math/Science, where semi-numbers manipulation at the back of the brain is a pre-requisition.
There is a good write-up by Lee Wei Ling, Harry Lee's daughter & a neuro-surgeon, in The Strait Times recently about this methodology of Mandarin learning & its subtle brain training effect.
BtW how did the good professor aced in history, if he is not trained to memorising historical facts & use them to analysing historical events? It's that another BIG BULL?
Professorship or not, the outcome is still a big bullsh*t!
One of the possibility could be he was confused with the way where tingxie & moxie were been conducted in the vernacular Chinese schools.
Tingxie requires the student to write down what the teacher recite, word by word, on paper. Moxie requires the student to write down a whole essay/poem just by looking at the title. Due to the linguastic nature of the Chinese writing - pictogram vis-a-vis phonetic - memorising is the key ingredient in achieving top score.
The added advantage of such teaching technique is that it exercises the brain & train the grey matter in handling/remembering facts. This is often the reason why Chinese-ed students are better in Math/Science, where semi-numbers manipulation at the back of the brain is a pre-requisition.
There is a good write-up by Lee Wei Ling, Harry Lee's daughter & a neuro-surgeon, in The Strait Times recently about this methodology of Mandarin learning & its subtle brain training effect.
BtW how did the good professor aced in history, if he is not trained to memorising historical facts & use them to analysing historical events? It's that another BIG BULL?
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written by AsamLaksa, December 05, 2009 18:43:02
written by AsamLaksa, December 05, 2009 18:43:02
Michael Chick,
The Malacca Sultanate is not all that it appears to be. Firstly imperial China has changed it's foreign policy and could not project it's influence at the Straits of Malacca.
Secondly I suspect there were support for Portugese control among some groups of traders. One trader from India was said to have helped the invaders (finance, inform, supply?). Why would any trader finance the invasion? Maybe the sultanate has gone south (corruption, maladministration?) or that the traders were sidelined.
Malacca sultanate did not have much of a military power. Mercs were used which betrayed them and fled. Not paying enough to make it worth their lives?
Justice,
Sure everyone copies. But the ones who are successful are the ones who know how to innovate. You chose Mr. Pua and Proton as examples. Mr. Pua used an existing technology but the application he put it to was what made him a success. What about Proton? Sure they didn't start off by "discovering" an engine all on their own. At least now they can say they have their own creation the Campro engine. However they are still years behind the competitors.
It's a fact that copying of ideas is needed. The Islamic Golden Age of scholarship was based on translating and propagating Greek learning. Obscure Greek philosophers were recorded as the first to state that the world was round and the Earth revolves around the sun.
The Meiji Restoration used a lot of borrowed ideas from the West. They sent many Japanese to learn from Europe and America. Post war the Japanese cheap appliances were flooding the market. They reverse engineered and sold cheaply. They also expanded the appeal and functionality of existing products. Take Sony Walkman, cassette players already existed, so were earphones. What they did was combine the two and make a player that is stable to movement.
There is a danger in teaching only how to copy and I think this is what is wrong with the Malaysian education system, too much rote learning. It's about copying whatever the teacher writes on the board and regurgitate it during exams. I did so many lab experiments during my high school years but I did not understand what's the importance of it all. As long as I followed the steps I passed. Never once was I taught to think up my own experiment and how to go about it.
Education show be about providing facts and teaching how to apply them. I would love to have a History class where we could debate about the past events. No right or wrong answer. I would love exams that score your essays on your skills presenting your arguments rather than following a strict model answer.
I think Malaysia have lagged behind. There must be a policy change from one stressing on manufacturing to giving more space to development. Malaysia had all sorts of foreign corporations opening plants but few if any Malaysian own make making it big. Taiwan has it's share of laptop, desktop and mobile phone brands.
So, Justice, I am unsure of your agenda. Are you out to defend copying of ideas in general or are you defending the Chinese school system? Either way I think you do not produce a balanced view.
The Malacca Sultanate is not all that it appears to be. Firstly imperial China has changed it's foreign policy and could not project it's influence at the Straits of Malacca.
Secondly I suspect there were support for Portugese control among some groups of traders. One trader from India was said to have helped the invaders (finance, inform, supply?). Why would any trader finance the invasion? Maybe the sultanate has gone south (corruption, maladministration?) or that the traders were sidelined.
Malacca sultanate did not have much of a military power. Mercs were used which betrayed them and fled. Not paying enough to make it worth their lives?
Justice,
Sure everyone copies. But the ones who are successful are the ones who know how to innovate. You chose Mr. Pua and Proton as examples. Mr. Pua used an existing technology but the application he put it to was what made him a success. What about Proton? Sure they didn't start off by "discovering" an engine all on their own. At least now they can say they have their own creation the Campro engine. However they are still years behind the competitors.
It's a fact that copying of ideas is needed. The Islamic Golden Age of scholarship was based on translating and propagating Greek learning. Obscure Greek philosophers were recorded as the first to state that the world was round and the Earth revolves around the sun.
The Meiji Restoration used a lot of borrowed ideas from the West. They sent many Japanese to learn from Europe and America. Post war the Japanese cheap appliances were flooding the market. They reverse engineered and sold cheaply. They also expanded the appeal and functionality of existing products. Take Sony Walkman, cassette players already existed, so were earphones. What they did was combine the two and make a player that is stable to movement.
There is a danger in teaching only how to copy and I think this is what is wrong with the Malaysian education system, too much rote learning. It's about copying whatever the teacher writes on the board and regurgitate it during exams. I did so many lab experiments during my high school years but I did not understand what's the importance of it all. As long as I followed the steps I passed. Never once was I taught to think up my own experiment and how to go about it.
Education show be about providing facts and teaching how to apply them. I would love to have a History class where we could debate about the past events. No right or wrong answer. I would love exams that score your essays on your skills presenting your arguments rather than following a strict model answer.
I think Malaysia have lagged behind. There must be a policy change from one stressing on manufacturing to giving more space to development. Malaysia had all sorts of foreign corporations opening plants but few if any Malaysian own make making it big. Taiwan has it's share of laptop, desktop and mobile phone brands.
So, Justice, I am unsure of your agenda. Are you out to defend copying of ideas in general or are you defending the Chinese school system? Either way I think you do not produce a balanced view.
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written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 18:38:42
written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 18:38:42
My dear SiewChin, I have been accused of trying to turn MT into the
Malaysian History Channel already !!!
I think Tun RPK will kick my butt if I wrote any more History in MT than I already have... Hahahaha
Malaysian History Channel already !!!
I think Tun RPK will kick my butt if I wrote any more History in MT than I already have... Hahahaha
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written by devious17, December 05, 2009 18:29:14
written by devious17, December 05, 2009 18:29:14
The chinese education might be producing copycats and zombies..............what has the national school have been producing all these years?? vegetables? 
Just look at the quality of teachers these days ,most of them are from those who cant find jobs anywhere else due to their "unemployable status thus ending up with teaching and all sorts of other "kerja senang" to justify their very existence.
There are also teachers who are dedicated to teaching but they are only a handful, too few to pull this education decay out of the quandry. We never heard of tuition until the late eighties,why the needs for tuition? Tuitions are for slow learner to help them catch up but in this country's education tuition is a way of a school life,why?
Just look at the quality of teachers these days ,most of them are from those who cant find jobs anywhere else due to their "unemployable status thus ending up with teaching and all sorts of other "kerja senang" to justify their very existence.
There are also teachers who are dedicated to teaching but they are only a handful, too few to pull this education decay out of the quandry. We never heard of tuition until the late eighties,why the needs for tuition? Tuitions are for slow learner to help them catch up but in this country's education tuition is a way of a school life,why?
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written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 18:28:27
written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 18:28:27
anyways, just for a lark - hows about Thomas Lee and Michael Chick be allocated a permanent slot in MT to contribute articles on the true history of our nation eh?
MC can even do it in pictorial form!
MC can even do it in pictorial form!
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written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 18:21:07
written by siewchinteo, December 05, 2009 18:21:07
".....it is time we redefine, revamp and redevelop our education system. ...."
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dude, that happened 22 years ago and now look what the "graduates" have become
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dude, that happened 22 years ago and now look what the "graduates" have become
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written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 18:09:55
written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 18:09:55
Dear Justice, you are slightly incorrect there when you said:
"Take a look at Proton, does it create our first national car from scratch? Of course not! It copied Japan's technology too. "
The Proton Saga 1986 was actually an OBSOLETE and discontinued model of Mitsubishi.
Malaysia went shopping at CASH CONVERTERS to call it's FIRST NATIONAL CAR !!!
Ketuanan PROTON !!!
"Take a look at Proton, does it create our first national car from scratch? Of course not! It copied Japan's technology too. "
The Proton Saga 1986 was actually an OBSOLETE and discontinued model of Mitsubishi.
Malaysia went shopping at CASH CONVERTERS to call it's FIRST NATIONAL CAR !!!
Ketuanan PROTON !!!
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written by wood, December 05, 2009 17:45:58
written by wood, December 05, 2009 17:45:58
A well written article . However it is indeed sad that despite having gone through 50 odd years since independence, article like this are still being highlighted and I am sure this is not the first article about this weakness in our education which makes me wonder what our Leaders and Education Ministers are doing all this while. 
If our so called Leaders cannot lead at least be a good follower and see what others have done. Instead we are still haggling about whether English or Bahasa should be the medium of teaching/instruction and the debate still goes on .!!
Malaysia Boleh !
If our so called Leaders cannot lead at least be a good follower and see what others have done. Instead we are still haggling about whether English or Bahasa should be the medium of teaching/instruction and the debate still goes on .!! Malaysia Boleh !
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written by justice, December 05, 2009 17:43:05
written by justice, December 05, 2009 17:43:05
The inventor of USB flash drive Mr. Pua Khein-Seng who was wholly a product of independent Chinese education in Malaysia, said in an interview that to be a good engineer, scientist or inventor, you need at least know how to copy the ideas of others. Many countries also copied the technologies of other countries. This is how technologies are enhanced.
Take a look at Proton, does it create our first national car from scratch? Of course not! It copied Japan's technology too.
As long as the act of copying is done according to the law and benefits the mankind, it's alright.
What I don't like most is being a cheap copycat politician like Liow recent MCA MIRT 1128 video, which is a 99% copycat of Taiwan president Ma Ying-Jeou's video. Shame on you MCA!!
According to The Star Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai and those aligned to him have been accused of being copycats in producing an Internet video clip similar to a campaign video of Taiwanese president Ma Ying-jeou.
Take a look at Proton, does it create our first national car from scratch? Of course not! It copied Japan's technology too.
As long as the act of copying is done according to the law and benefits the mankind, it's alright.
What I don't like most is being a cheap copycat politician like Liow recent MCA MIRT 1128 video, which is a 99% copycat of Taiwan president Ma Ying-Jeou's video. Shame on you MCA!!
According to The Star Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai and those aligned to him have been accused of being copycats in producing an Internet video clip similar to a campaign video of Taiwanese president Ma Ying-jeou.
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written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 17:40:11
written by michael chick, December 05, 2009 17:40:11
Good one, Thomas.
Also, why nobody even questions why Portugal was allowed to conquer Malacca, even thought they were paying Monetary Tribute to China, and under the direct Chinese Emperor's Protection. And yet at the same time, the Portuguese were allowed to set up a huge Port in Macau.
You have only 2 possibilities:
1), China is afraid of Portugal, (which is ridiculous), or Malacca was doing something seriously wrong, and was pissing the Chinese off.
2) This could have been a sanctioned attack for punitive purposes. And since Malacca was only a road-side canteen, in the larger scheme of things, it was allowed to be "taken over". A complete change of Management, in today's Corporate Terms.
Don't forget that the Portuguese also had another large base-station in Vietnam in a well-established port called Hoi Ann already. This was trading with both China, as well as Japan; a detail which no Malaysian History Textbook offers.
If memory serves me well, the word Japan does not even enter any Malaysian textbooks until the mention of WWll. What happened to real details like the Jomon Pottery of the 2nd century, or the Ainu of Japan, which are of the Dravidic (Australoid) stock? And the Dravidians arrived in Japan more than 15,000 years ago !!!
Read again, friends, the Indians were the "Orang Asli/ Bumiputra" of Japan !! Don't let anyone give you any SHIT on that. The Ainu still exist in the central Hills of Japan.
See for yourselves:
What do Historians know nowadays...
*Ptooooi*
Also, why nobody even questions why Portugal was allowed to conquer Malacca, even thought they were paying Monetary Tribute to China, and under the direct Chinese Emperor's Protection. And yet at the same time, the Portuguese were allowed to set up a huge Port in Macau.
You have only 2 possibilities:
1), China is afraid of Portugal, (which is ridiculous), or Malacca was doing something seriously wrong, and was pissing the Chinese off.
2) This could have been a sanctioned attack for punitive purposes. And since Malacca was only a road-side canteen, in the larger scheme of things, it was allowed to be "taken over". A complete change of Management, in today's Corporate Terms.
Don't forget that the Portuguese also had another large base-station in Vietnam in a well-established port called Hoi Ann already. This was trading with both China, as well as Japan; a detail which no Malaysian History Textbook offers.
If memory serves me well, the word Japan does not even enter any Malaysian textbooks until the mention of WWll. What happened to real details like the Jomon Pottery of the 2nd century, or the Ainu of Japan, which are of the Dravidic (Australoid) stock? And the Dravidians arrived in Japan more than 15,000 years ago !!!
Read again, friends, the Indians were the "Orang Asli/ Bumiputra" of Japan !! Don't let anyone give you any SHIT on that. The Ainu still exist in the central Hills of Japan.
See for yourselves:
What do Historians know nowadays...
*Ptooooi*
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